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Feel Comfortable Showing Your Face In Your Video Content

Be Comfortable Showing Your Face In Your Video Content is the topic of this episode of Wake Up Legendary. Below is the transcription for this episode:

Matt:  Good morning and welcome to Wake Up Legendary. It is Wednesday, August 24. And we're live. My name is Matt if you don't already know me and every single day Monday through Friday at 10am Eastern we go live. We bring on a new guest, somebody who's making waves in our community, and we want to unpack a little bit about their story, their journey and what got him to this point. And today, we're gonna bring on somebody all the way from Sweden and I'm excited to do that and excited to hear about Victoria's journey for anybody who's here with this unique Facebook. You can all give us a little hand clap emoji just to welcome Victoria to the virtual stage. What's going on? How are you? 

Victoria: I’m good. I'm excited to be here.

Matt: I'm excited that you're here. Tell us a little bit about where you're from and how you found Legendary Marketer of all companies and tell us a little bit about your journey and your life. 

Victoria: So I'm from Stockholm, Sweden. And I found Legendary Marketer through TikTok. I was scrolling on TikTok and Andrea Della Flora came up on my For You page. And I was interested and I thought, like, I need to try and I tried affiliate marketing before. But it wasn't with type or like, what did you do? It was in 2019. And I was like, trying it and I didn't have a lot of information or knowledge or anything. So it didn't go very well. I was like, I was quitting my link in different forms. And I was bad anyway, because I could do that. So I learned and then I created a blog to post like reviews and stuff and I actually think I might have been less successful, but I gave up pretty much right away because I didn't have the right knowledge. I didn't know what I was doing. So yeah. And then later on, I tried dropshipping but like I did that for like, half a year, like six months. But yeah, I wasn't too successful with that either. And I just ended up feeling like it was the best business model. Yeah. And then I took a break from that and I was planning to start dropshipping again, and that's when I found a legendary marketer, and I just felt like this is so much but I finally understood all the things that I did wrong with affiliate marketing in the first place. So yeah, that's the story.

Matt:  Wow, cool. Cool. Yeah, the whole the whole, you know, spamming your links all over on social media, sort of like, you know, you come online and you're like, calm and try this like affiliate marketing thing. And then you're just like, kind of just throw things around. Like what's gonna work who knows? Yeah, I've definitely been there before. So when you engage the training and everything well, first of all, for the most part in like Stockholm, for instance, like would you say most people are bilingual they speak at least two languages like most kids growing up in school? They're learning English. 

Victoria: We learned English in school and we're also learning Spanish, German, or like, Yeah, from the French language. I don't remember right now, but so I knew that people were like, in Sweden, they know English, but I still was, like, unsure if it was gonna work. Like could I do the marketing here? Do I have to do it in places like the US or Canada or something else? So that was kind of like a big station. Why I didn't like I was hesitant to start because I didn't know if it was going to work in Sweden. But also, I saw that there was a demand for it. And I'm from Sweden, and I want to learn how to make money online. So I thought that must mean other people in Sweden also want to learn Yeah, and I was right so yeah, yeah. Also I think in any country, like a country, people do want to learn how to make money online. So it's not only like in your speaking countries or in the US or Canada. Yeah. Wow,

Matt: Good point. Oh, I'm so happy that you're on the show today. Here's why. I get a lot of people who will come to me and they say, Hey, you know, I'm in Australia or I'm in South Africa or I'm in New Zealand or I'm in a lot of times, it's like the UK or well, even just any random European country. Then they'll say to me something like this, they'll say they'll say, hey, you know, I want to post videos on tick tock and stuff but I'm but all the only people who are seeing my stuff. The only people who are seeing it are people from my own country and that's just not going to work. And so they have this sort of limiting belief that, you know, there's, there's people out there who will consume their products, or purchase from them. And I think you're kind of breaking that mold and you might be one of the first people that I've seen who've kind of just been like, you know what, screw it. I'm not gonna worry about who's seen my videos or where they're from or whatever, cuz you you actually put all of your you put all of the all your all your TikTok and stuff is not an English, right?

Victoria:  Yes and Swedish. Yeah. And I actually, I don't know a lot of affiliate marketers that are Swedish and a lot of people like DME saying like, do you know others like Swedish YouTubers that are affiliate marketers or something? And I actually don't know. So it also means that it is. It's much less competitive.

Matt:  That's exactly what I tell people. Yeah.

Victoria: So I don't think you should be afraid to start even in your own country in your own language because a lot of people like in Sweden, if you have someone doing affiliate marketing in your own country, it can be easier to trust the person then. If it's the person in another language or another country.

Matt:  So true. That's that's exactly what I tell people is just like, Look, you might not be able to have quite the reach of if you let's say you're just sitting in the middle of America, and you can literally mark it to seemingly like 300 million people versus I don't know the exact like, what, like five to 10 million in Sweden, something like that. So, um, so you might not have quite the organic sort of big, massive reach of people. But you also don't have like, you know, 5 million other people who are posting and trying to compete with you and you know, all of that. So that's a good outlook. Let's figure it out.

Victoria: And, like, I know, we, like people have been talking about this on the show before but like views and likes and stuff isn't the most important thing like it's, you can have like 200k followers or something but are people actually gonna buy from you or not?

Matt:  Yeah, totally. And so with your, with your social, you've got followers, and you've definitely had a few videos that have just gotten really viral. You've got a lot of views on them. And then some that haven't, but the interesting thing to me is with 6000 followers, you've got a lot of videos that do have a lot of views. 10s of 1000s of you have a lot of views on your channel overall, you have 60,000 likes across your whole channel which I think is super smart, super smart and super cool that you've sort of doubled down on posting the videos in Swedish because you're right, that is an accurate and getting strategy and analysis of sort of your channel is like I'm gonna double down on this because there ain't nobody else around who's even like playing ball with me. Yeah, that's so smart. When you started creating this channel, it's part of the way that you said that you said, you know, it's maybe not all about the big numbers of followers, which I think is true. What I actually know is true. Because you know, you've got leads flowing through every single day. You have to be doing the numbers that you're doing. And with your channel, do you find that it's like, do you find that it's easy to connect with people? Are people more or less hesitant to buy something from you online as sort of an affiliate marketer? Like, is it pretty easy? Are you messaging people like, how are you making connections with people?

Victoria: A lot of people come to my DM on my Instagram because I have my instrument linked to my ticktick bio. So it's easier to also like to connect on Instagram because like, it's easier to write and stuff. So I get like, a lot of DMS, like every day and I just connect with them and help them and yeah, it's also cool to be able to help people and hear how they get started and yeah, how it's going for them. So I have like a few followers that have been with me from the start and they reach out and like yeah, I watched you grow from this time and yeah, it's, it's really fun. 

 

Matt:  That's cool, because I think I've sat on webinars, alright, so I feel like I didn't speak this into existence, but it's just cool that this is beginning to happen. And you're one of the first people I've seen do it. But I've sat on webinars on our Thursday business blueprints, webinars, and even sometimes on these wakeup legendary shows for the last two years. And what I've told people is, they've said, you know, hey, you know, I typically speak German, but I'm trying to do this in English, doesn't seem to be growing that fast. And I said, you should just speak to your audience, like you should just speak directly to them, speak in German, or speak in French and you should just speak directly to them and worry about anything else. Just worry about creating connections and building your audience and then figure out the rest of it later. You know, if you're finding that it doesn't convert with your audience, don't assume it's not going to convert until you try and then what will happen is, if you've got such little competition in your country. Now see, listen, how we're just talking about this. And now everybody in America is like, oh, yeah, you're ready to see I need to move to Sweden. learn Swedish so I can so I can not compete with everybody. You know, so funny how we do that mental game, but no, I tell them go do that and you won't have any competition around and it's just gonna be you, you talking and what will happen is, is you'll likely become pretty famous on the platform, people will really look to you as like, Wow, you are on the very cusp of something that's like, we've sort of heard murmurings about No, really done it and set the example for us. And it's sort of like I compared it once to tech, like they call it being an early adopter. It's a thing with like, people with technology or or like electric cars, there's like, there's like the creation of it. And then as it goes up, you know, the early adopters are people who like to do things before the mass public. They all buy electric cars and iPhones and all that stuff, the new technology and then once it gets to a tipping point, tipping point up here, that's when the mass market sort of gravitates towards it right. And that's when most of the sales revenue for these types of companies are done. But in the early stages, these are the people who get really rich because they've spent all the time developing building audiences selling products and evening the market here, everybody else would and capture a little bit of that, but it's too late. The people down here who were in early got in early to use an MLM term. Got in early are actually the people who who have developed their product have a great product, they've gotten feedback from the market, and they've built an audience so when it comes your so I just think it's super smart what you're doing that's what I'm trying to say.

Victoria: And I also just try like, like jump for the cliff, jump off the cliff. What is it? Because I didn't see a lot of like other Swedish ships in this so I just had to try it out. Like is this gonna work? Let's try and see.

Matt: Yeah, what when you're creating your content and stuff. I'm curious if you're selling products that are in English, do you do anything or say anything to make that clear, or do you just let people discover that because my guess is they're gonna figure it out pretty dang quick. 

Victoria: With my content, I just, I do either, like, tips on how to make money online like a video showing how to make money online. And it can be like, different stuff. Or I do like, just like relatable content. And then I tell people like DME, if you want to know more about what I do, and then people DM me and then explain like, Hey, I do affiliate marketing. Do you know anything about that? And we started having a conversation. And I like yeah, that's basically how I do it.

Matt: Yeah, that's cool. That's a skill to be able to take somebody that's brilliant and genius on so many levels. I was like, I was gonna go like, look at some of your content and try to like, be like, Oh, cool. This triggered me and I was like, I don't even know what the hell this says. Okay. I feel like in terms of how long ago this channel was, when did you start this channel? 

Victoria: I started this channel at the end of May. 

Matt: So now you've also got an Insta, you've got Pinterest. So you're kind of working on all these different platforms and you're developing, you know, what we would call an omnipresent. Yeah, it seems like TikTok has been sort of your main thing is that right? Yeah.

Victoria: I also have a Pinterest and that one is in English. And so I do like YouTube shorts and those are in English because I did it in Swedish first, but then I noticed that most people watching them are speaking English. Got it. So then I switched. So I have two different funnels. One is Swedish and running. 

Matt:  Wow. That's cool. That's super cool. And so with your, by the way, just as a total aside, you know, I'm hearing murmurings that YouTube shorts are really starting to pick up so yeah, definitely. If you're not seeing growth or for anybody who's watching if you're not seeing growth on YouTube shorts, first of all, don't stop because algorithms change a lot. And one day you might wake up to 5 million views on your YouTube shore. And you got the offer. But the second part to that is, you know, I I'm hearing murmurings that YouTube shorts are starting to really go viral, which just means if you're not getting views, you know, keep going, but also consider, you know, maybe do some research, do some research on what are other people doing on YouTube shorts. Are there other people who are getting a lot of views on YouTube first, what do they do? And do a little bit of investigation? Sometimes people just assume that everything they learned in the training is everything that they need to do but not every time? Not all the time is it just you go through the retraining and then you implement it and that's it, you're done. To a certain extent, like in a business model, that might be true. But when it comes to algorithms, like the YouTube short algorithm, you might need to do a little investigative homework and be an engineer and kind of figure out okay, what that person just posted that yesterday. Is this working really well? Is it not what's going on? So anyway, just keep going on YouTube. Because, you know, odds are they're gonna figure it out just like Facebook and tick tock did and it'll probably have, it's more visually viral. I don't think it has yet but I think it's getting there. So yeah, what do you do for tick tock content creation, like when you go and create content, are you making videos like once a, like, two or three times a day once a day, what do you what are you doing?

Victoria: I will create content. So I like to shoot content for like, a few hours or something. So I like a lot of videos and then I post them like three times a day. I did that for the first like two months and now I post maybe once or twice a day. And I didn't really notice the difference. But I think it's important to have like three times a day at the beginning. So the like textbook algorithm can learn, like who to show your content for. Yeah, and I also think it's important to like to try a lot of different types of content in the beginning as you would say. Like Don't just post the same like type of video

Matt: Good point Good point, especially in the beginning and even just as you go you know, I've seen people whose whose it's little things it's experimenting, it's playing around different channels respond different ways, different different places in the world, people whose channels will will act differently but I've seen people with big channels, they felt like they were shadow banned for a little bit and all they did different. The only thing they did differently is they stopped posting hashtags. They removed all their hashtags from their posts, and I started growing again. And, you know, sometimes, in that growth stage, you've just got to try posting at different times during the day, try removing hashtags, try adding hashtags, try you know, kind of just try everything. That's it. That sounds to a lot of people like a lack of strategy, like throwing spaghetti at the wall. But in the social media world. The algorithms are so complex and so nuanced that you actually have to throw a bit of spaghetti at the wall and try a lot of things to really like to start. It's like this matrix, you know, that you're trying to figure out, like, how does this all work? And you've got to just chuck a lot of stuff at it and see what happens and see what sticks and then kind of be like, oh, something's stuck over here. Let's go look at that. 

Victoria: Different stuff. I also like to split test my funnels, like all the time to see if, like, yeah, just keep on testing stuff. 

Matt: It makes sense. I think a lot of times people will say all marketing is a test, right? Some people who say that say that because they don't know what they're talking about. But the truth really is, for instance, we run ads on tick tock right now as a company, and that when we run ads on tick tock. We don't like to put out stuff that we just feel like it's gonna work and it just flops and it's just like, all the pieces add up for this to work. Everything. I know, marketing, this should work and it just doesn't work. And then we try one weird random thing, like we'll stitch together a video or something. And it's like, oh, okay, maybe this will work. And it just, it blows up. And there seems like there's no real rhyme or reason but it just works and it is very true. Some of the I think the best marketers in the world know that they know that. You have to test things against what you assume might work. Because once you discover how to pull we call it like when we meet as a staff we call this like, pulling big levers right? So rather than trying the little tiny things, what are the big levers you can test and pull to see if we can, you know, increase our conversions by 1% or 2%. And that's a lot, you know? Yeah. Have you found it when you first got going? Have you found or did you find that it was easy or hard to create content? What was that process? Like? Were you on social media creating content before this?

Victoria: And yeah, I think it always has an intro, creating content like taking photos, editing photos, and like my personal likes, Instagram. But then, when I was going to start affiliate marketing, I didn't want to show my face. That was the first thing I asked my business plan advisor, like, do I have to show my face because I really don't want to? And I was like, No, you don't have to. But then I thought about it a lot. And I just realized, like, I have to stop caring about what other people think because I was scared like people would think infringe, or you know what, what are you doing? Oh, cringy Yeah, I was scared of being French but then I realized I could be cringy it doesn't matter. Yeah, so I stopped caring about what other people think. And I just went out of my comfort zone. And yeah, it paid off. So I'm grateful. That I did. Cool. But, like coming up with content, I didn't find it like this. I am very creative. And I think it's really fun to create content. 

Matt: And some of that creativity, you know, that can really it's I don't know, I think that that's just a really cool thing. You can spark a lot of creativity that maybe you didn't know you had.

Victoria: Back in the beginning, I liked to be creative, but then the more content I created, the more ideas came as well. So even if you're not a super creative person, when you get like the creative juices flowing, you just get more and more ideas. So that's really fun as well.

Matt: And it is an even like for me, somebody who's, who's introverted and stuff. It's sort of like a challenge against myself sometimes where I'm like, I bet I could do this. I think I could do this. I bet I could do that better than you know. Yeah, I just there's such a beauty in stretching yourself and pushing your boundaries and discovering what's possible or what you could possibly create. That's what I love about this business in particular, like, it's something that's centered around, you know, like, like in affiliate marketing, a lot of it's centered around creating great content. That's how referral marketing works. And there's something really powerful about, you know, just, you haven't worked a job for a long, like, not decades or whatever, but there's people out there who have worked a nine to five job for 15 years, and then they discovered affiliate marketing and they start creating content. It's like, holy smokes, like I have all this creativity I never knew about never, ever, ever gave the light of day. Man, that's cool. And I agree with you as you get going. I'm super introverted. And when I got started making videos and stuff 10 years ago, or however long that was, it was laughable and over time, you know, I discovered wow, like I have I can connect to people I can. I have a way of connecting with people on a real level where they feel safe and comfortable and they enjoy listening to me and stuff. And so it was a powerful gift. I have something that I felt like was a weakness. That turned out to be a huge gift. And it was and I think that happens a lot in our community. Yeah.

Victoria: That's actually what I like to do because when I watched like the wakeup legendaries as other people that were also like, maybe not super like extroverted, and also like shy and stuff, and I wouldn't say I'm super shy, but yeah, a little bit shy, maybe. So it was just like, nice to connect them. See that there are other people like you

Matt: I don't know what that is. Exactly. But it's a really great feeling. Just to know, like, oh, yeah, there's other people not just like me, but other people like me who have been successful, right? Yeah, sort of like setting the bar and I can go chase that fine. 

Victoria: Yeah. Because of this and this and this, but when you see someone that's similar to you, and they did it, then you know, like, I can do it too. Yep. You just gotta believe in yourself. Yep.

Matt: Well, that's really it. You have to believe in yourself. You have to have a little bit of a good mentor of mine who told me once when I was getting started, he's you know, he was we were kind of just talking about, you know, my personality and you know, could I make it in as an entrepreneur, right? We were just kind of having a lot of self doubt and he was just kind of entertaining me. Like, you might, you know, you might just have just enough ego to make it you know, just enough internal belief there's, it seems like there's something deep inside of you that believes you know, your worth that you could do it and you believe in yourself. There's some building thing that's willing to bet on yourself. And that's a that's a powerful voice to like, listen to and give air to and allow it to breathe and expand and you know, kind of let it sit down in the room with you and, and look at it and be like, Alright, can I really do this and let that say, you know, yeah, I do. Like, you're you're great. Like you can do this. Yeah, that's powerful. 

Victoria: And when you get over the first obstacle, it all becomes easier and easier.

Matt:  Right, right, right. It's sort of like you're running down. Like you're in track and field and we're running into hurdles. And the first hurdle is a big one, like a huge one. Yeah. And a little bit lower, and then a little, you know, and suddenly you realize that the whole game is just jumping over hurdles. You're like one of the hurdles is going to end and then you're just like, okay, the hurdles never end and this is my life now. And then that helps the hurdles go down in size a little bit and you're like, Okay, I can just kind of glide over these things. Wow, Victoria, this is, this is really powerful. And I'm really happy that you decided to come on the show and we're pumped about your success and everything that you're doing online, just incredible. I'd like to share if it's okay with you if I share your TikTok and Instagram. I want people to go see how much success you're having. Just marketing products that are sold in English to countries that are their main language and native language is not like that's incredible actually. Do you have any final words for people who are here watching who you know, maybe are getting started and a little bit skeptical or a little hesitant? Like, oh man, if I create videos, what would you say to those people? 

Victoria: I would say believe in yourself and don't have limiting beliefs. Anything can happen if you just try and don't say you know, like, and try to like to learn as much as possible and just grow and have fun.

Matt: Yes, have fun. Like, make it a little bit of fun. Everybody approaches this like this. Like, hey, like let's try to have a little fun here. Let's make this again. What is life about if not to have a little bit of fun and enjoy it right? Yeah. Well, that's cool. And also, you know, if you're in your early 20s I love that advice. I love that advice for anybody who is young here, it's like, take take, I would echo that too. I'm 33 But you know, I got started around 22 And I took a lot of dumb risks and lost a lot of money. Every penny that I lost or that I felt like I lost wasn't really lost. I just it was it was I put it out into the world and and hoped that it would come back because I was learning skills and I felt like I was building something and figuring some shit and and it did it later on it did and that's how the world usually works is when you start really building skills, doors and opportunities open you didn't know existed and taking big risks, like you said, is is part of that. Betting on yourself and saying I can figure this out not taking dumb crypto currency risks. We're talking like taking risks as in betting on yourself. Like I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna build some skills I'm going to become valuable. And in return, usually successful is that so yeah. Wow, cool. Victoria, man. Great. Great to meet you. And here's what I'd love for you to do in a couple months, two months, three months down the road or something. Reach Roxy and say, Hey, I'm still going to kill it. I'd love to come back on the show and share kind of an update of where I'm at because we'd love to have you back on.

Victoria: Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

Matt: It was awesome. See ya. Bye. Everybody. Go follow Victoria. Her username is @tjanaonline so simple. It's on TikTok and it's on Instagram Tja en online and give her a follow and also go comment on a couple of her videos and just say hey, look, I love what you're putting out. saw you on Wake Up Legendary and wish her well and for everybody who's still here with us live. We go live every single Monday through Friday at 10am. Eastern you can tune in and hear these types of stories of people who found our training. As Victoria said earlier in the interview, you know, was posting her links to forums and family links. Social media found our training in connecting the dots about how to go online and actually attract people to her rather than trying to go out and spam people with their business. And that's what we teach is how to do real marketing and transferable skills that you can put into any industry in any business. So go give Victoria a follow and we'll be back here tomorrow at 10am.

Tips For The New Digital Marketer

Tips for the new digital marketer are what this episode is packed with. Below is the transcription for this episode:

Matt:  Good morning. Good morning everybody. Happy Thursday, August 11. We are living right now and silencing my phone. I hope you're doing well. We go live if you're new we go live every single Monday through Friday at 10am Eastern for a show we call wake up legendary. We bring on brand new guests every single morning. And you know I think the most powerful thing that comes out of these wake up legendary episodes is that people from every single walk of life, every single background, they come on the show and there's people who live who like oh my gosh, like hey, that's me. And you know, this morning, we've got a guest Kelly, who's I think a dental hygienist and, you know, there's probably going to be a couple of dental hygienists who listen to this episode. And for whatever reason, they'll be like, hey, like, I get that I've lived your life a little bit. Like you know, I've had a lot of shared experiences with you. This is cool. And it'll open their mind to Hey, the power of the internet is here to be harnessed. And I could do something like that, right? What a powerful experience for people. So without further ado, I'm gonna bring on Kelly and if you all could give me a little hand clap emoji to welcome her to the show. Kelly what's up? Hey, hey, where are you from?

Kelly:  I am from North Carolina, a little town called Eden.

Matt:  All right. Beautiful. Love it. Well, thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for taking some time. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. Well, tell us a little bit about you're also a mom and your dental hygiene is a couple of days a week. Tell us about the busy schedule you've got going on. And how did you find legendary before legendary, have you tried any other ways to generate money on the internet or anything like that? Tell us a little bit about your journey. Okay.

Kelly:  So I've failed legendary by watching tick tock. I was watching videos from another healthcare worker. You know, I just kind of resonated with it. Sarah Thompson. Was her name.

Matt:  Yeah, she was great.

Kelly:  Yeah, I love her. She's just super relatable to me. Anyway, I watched her videos for probably a few months. I'm just very like, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is the type of person who watched and watched and watched and I finally was like, You know what? It's seven books like I spin more than that at lunch. So yeah, so I finally did it and took the training and I'm in here. I started I think the very beginning of June like with the train and I did, I did my first tiktok like July or something. Yeah. I'm not training at night when the baby is in bed.

Matt:  Yeah, get the baby's sleep and hope the baby keeps sleeping and then and then in our air we go home and train. I'm on TikTok. It's it's business building. Yes. So you were and it was cool because in your little questionnaire you're like, I'm hitting my first $1,000 Online while sitting on the beach over the weekend. I did, which is stupid. You know, it's a crazy thing because, you know, the whole behind the scenes of, let's say you sell something online, right? Let's just say for instance, that you have your own product that's $1,000. Right. And you are sitting out on a beach right? And in a lot of cases and somebody owns something that requires $1,000 to sell or whatever, let's take my wife as a therapy business, right? And so you know, for her or for a therapist to make $1,000 They're gonna have to do like eight or nine sessions. And it's gonna take eight or nine hours of their time that they're gonna have to write some notes, right. That's a whole day of actual physical work sitting in an office. And here you are, you know, are you on the phone with somebody calling them out, you know, trying to sell them or hard sell them on something. No? Kelly's is out on the beach. She's just out on the beach and you've got a whole entire the beauty of being an affiliate actually is that you've got a whole entire army of people who are working on your behalf. You know, it's almost like a VIP, like, executive thing. And the cool part is two months that you know, it's crazy. Super cool. Have you tried anything else like, drop shipping or something?

Kelly:  A little bit. I kinda had dabbled in some Amazon stuff Haven't

Matt:  they? Same thing you like: you found a training course and tried it out? Yeah,

Kelly:  I found I think I was on YouTube one day and I saw a girl you know, talking about her Amazon business. And you know, I had never, you know, being a dental hygienist before COVID. And before being a mom like that was my main focus. I never really thought you know, doing anything. I really enjoyed what I did. But you know, then COVID came along, and then it made me start thinking like, you know, I'll never have the option of working from home. You know, like COVID puts things into perspective. You know, like, it's either like, I work in people's mouths or I don't work, you know, like hop on a computer and do your job. You know, that's kind of what led me to the Amazon thing. And then when I had my son, it was like, yeah, like something. Something's got to change because I just love being a mom and I want to be with him more. And so yeah, so I dabbled in the Amazon stuff a little bit. I haven't really found any success with that. It's a little bit harder. I feel like to get your you know, Amazon has so much stuff, you know, and if you're not on that first page, people aren't gonna see your stuff. And so yeah, it's a little harder.

Matt:  Yeah, I think. Think with that Amazon thing, too. I mean, that went through this whole craze. And I don't know, there's still definitely people making money on the internet. The interesting part about Amazon I think, in a lot of ways is that Amazon has also chosen to kind of compete against some of their creators and against some of their people on their platform, which is sort of interesting to me, but you know, like, for instance, with batteries, like they started just making their own batteries, you know, or lots of different products. I recently just bought a fan, and it was an Amazon brand fan. You know, like, for them they're like, we're gonna find a way to grab as much profit as humanly possible, which, hey, it's there. Right? They can do whatever they want, but it does make it a lot harder over the last few years with all of the competition plus, Amazon, one of the biggest companies that ever exists on planet Earth.

Kelly:  Which is kind of why I picked that I'm like, Hey, if you know that's like the biggest, the biggest shop and you know more than Walmart or anywhere you know, I mean, everybody gets away from Amazon, but it's a little more complicated than that. And then it's like, you know, Amis talking about Amazon trying to compete and everything, you know, they have a lot of fees. You know, and with affiliate marketing, like you get your training, and you know, it's not really like you don't have to buy the product and you don't have to pay the fees for you to sell like, you know what I mean? Like it's,

Matt:  It's just different. A lot different, a lot different. And so, so then you stumble upon our challenge, you start creating the like, what was the process? Okay, so you hop on and you're starting to learn like, okay, there's this sort of like, there's this thing where people are creating short, short form video content. Are you new to creating videos? Like, was that a new video for you? Oh, my gosh, um, yeah.

Kelly:  I feel like when it comes to social media, so being a 30 year old, I'm more like an 80 year old. Yeah, I feel like a scroller and not a poster. Yeah, that makes sense.

Matt:  Yeah, you're standing outside the window like looking through the blinds and everybody else.

Kelly:  exactly. Yeah, I know. You know, if you looked at my life from social media, you would know absolutely nothing about me before this, you know? But yeah, so that was like really the major stepping out of my comfort. Zone. Because, you know, just the thought of posting a tick tock. I didn't even know how to do that. You know, I mean, when I took you know, I got the blueprints mainly because I'm like, I don't even know how to take a personal ticket. So, thankfully, you know, it taught me all that and then that first, making that first tic stock was definitely like, Okay, I'm doing this.

Matt:  Yeah, what was that like?

Kelly:  Well, you know, it's weird because I'm not really like a super sharp person. I mean, my husband's like, you can talk to a wall you know, but it is something like, not having a conversation with someone you know, you're just kind of like putting yourself out there and then they're just watching. You don't know what they're thinking you're not you know what I mean? Like, I don't know and, you know, that brings me to like, tick tock like doing a tick tock love. I have, like, almost taught myself last week. But like, I haven't done that yet. Because I'm like, It's not there to share to do it. Or it's like, what if someone asked me a question, and I don't know how to answer it. You know, I'm super new to this and like, I want to help people. And I don't want to tell them something wrong or I don't know. I just overthink it.

Matt:  Yeah, yeah. There's something different about being like I get that there's something different about something like slightly more vulnerable or something. You know, like you've spent 30 years talking to anyone and everybody in you know, brand new patients walking into your place like

Kelly:  All day long, you know, and, um, like I said, I'm not a shy person at all, but it's just something about being behind the camera.

Matt:  One on one, you know, of course, yeah. And then when you go live there, it feels like there's more pressure on you and it's even more intense and oh my god. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So if you haven't gone live yet, I was just talking to somebody yesterday about going live and how to go live and stuff. And, you know, I basically challenged this person to go live so uh, yeah, it's done the same challenge to you is to do that too, but no, I, I feel like with with going live you know, one of the secrets is I'm gonna give you one of my best secrets, because I struggled with that with webinars about 10 years ago. And it's not really impostor syndrome, but there's a little bit of that where it's like, I don't want to, I don't want to tell somebody right. I think you said like, I don't want to tell anybody something wrong. Yeah, and you know, I think the beautiful part is about if you can develop just enough confidence to say basically, like, it's okay if I don't know every question. And that's a powerful statement. It's, you know, what ‘s gonna be okay. Like, you know, or I think yesterday, the advice that I gave was, you know, you're gonna figure it out because you have to, there's no other option. And when you go live, and somebody says to me, you know, like, like, let's just imagine that you asked me and you say, Hey Matt, you know, how do you run out? Honey, I want to purchase a billboard. I want to purchase I want to rent a I want to rent out a billboard in Times Square. How do I do that? I don't know. Yeah, I'll figure it out. Together. Right, but I have no clue right now. And that's where it's like, it's like people appreciate that level of just honesty because what most people do who are like scam artists and stuff. What most people do is they just go on with their lives and somebody will ask them a question and they'll just be like, I'm just gonna make shit up. Because I don't know what's going on.

Kelly:  Say that is not me. Right.

Matt:  And you. People just want to know that it's not you, right? People just want to know, it's so disarming to just be like, hey, you know, who do we get on here? We've got, you know, let's say, you know, we've got Anthony Jones. You know, it's so disarming for me to just go to Anthony and just be like, Yo, Anthony. Hey, here's the thing. I'm here live because I want to share a little bit about my journey, Anthony, but I don't really know the answer to your question just because I don't know the answer to all the questions. But, you know, here's a good resource for you to figure it out. And it's such like, it relieves you of all of that pressure of like, can I have to know every answer to every question? Oh my gosh, what am I not and it makes going to live much more of just that, hey, I'm hanging out experience versus like, I'm the world's foremost expert on everything. Online Marketing.

Kelly:  Like what do I talk about? You know what I mean? Like, what if I get on there and no one is interacting and I'm like to sit there by myself like, okay, so you know, what am I talking about?

Matt:  See what's this is great. unpack some of the fears you have? Do you have other fears like that?

Kelly:  I'm not really because, you know, it's really just like doing it? You know what I mean? Like, it just needs to stop like talking myself out of it. Or like Stalin like, Okay, I'll do it next week. Yeah, that's what I did last week. Yeah. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna lay him down for a nap and I'm gonna go to the lab. And then I found some excuse, you know, that, that I just didn't.

Matt:  Yeah, well, you know what I've been talking about more and more lately about these. I've been talking more and more about how I believe that there's a span of time where people are getting ready to get ready and there's actually good evidence of that. There's been some psychology books. My wife has a psychology and counseling, master's degree, and we often talk about things like, when she was back in school, we would talk a lot about her. Just like what she'd been learning and stuff and there's decent evidence that points to the brain sort of having a little bit of a lag time where we're sort of like, I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna get there. Tomorrow might be the day we'll see. I'll get there. And sure, there's all these people who write books about you know, Mel Robbins, she writes that she wrote this book called The Five second rule, where she's like, Hey, look, you've got to train your brand new pathway. So if you want to do something, and you're not doing it, you want to wake up in the morning. You have to adopt this five second rule you count down from 54321. And you just do it. And it'll retrain via action. It will retrain your brain and your neural pathways. But the truth that I've come to witness and I've experienced in my own life is there's a certain there's certain there's like a build up period where we're getting ready and we're prepping around in and there's little unconscious things that are going on behind the scenes that are getting us ready for this they're asking Can I do this? Am I really good enough? All of this stuff? And then and then someday, it's like, as long as it's not too far down the road somewhere where you're like, Okay, I think I'm ready, I think. And so what I what I try to tell people is, you know, whether you set a date that's like, you know, three weeks out or four weeks out or something or two weeks out, whether you set a date that's a little further out, or you don't set a date at all, or you set the date for tomorrow. The important the most important thing is that you're not shaming yourself over not doing this if you're gonna if you're gonna just you know, say just you know, look at me, I didn't go live again, or a lot of people who are sitting here who are like, I'm gonna post my first TikTok, and I've been I just went and took a nap instead, it's like, right, look, you're gonna figure it out. Give yourself a little deep breath and then, you know, approach it again tomorrow.

Kelly:  Yeah, I'm like, you know, if I would have gone ahead and ended this back when I started watching Sarah's videos. You know, I'm like, if I would have started then, you know, I'll be probably even better than where I am now. And so that's kind of what I'm trying to remind myself at the labs, you know, like, you've already really done the hard part, like stepping out of your comfort zone. This is just like a little bit more, you know, and I don't want to look back thinking man, I should have done that, you know. 

Matt:  Yeah. You know, you know, another good reframe of that is, did you get your 30? Out there good reframe of that is like, I mean, if you spend the rest, if you spend the next five or 10 years just taking small consistent action, like you're gonna, you're gonna build such a massive skill set that will be transferable to whatever the heck you want to do. If you just want to open like a dentistry office. You'd have the most booming dentistry office in the whole entire region, just because you've learned all these marketing skills and you can just take them and immediately apply them to any niche any industry business doesn't matter. Yeah. And there's just so much time like people forget about that. They get all locked in on like, I gotta start right now. I gotta start making money and I've got to figure this out. If I don't my whole entire, you know, my whole entire identity is all wrapped up in this and I used to do that, but I see it a lot. I hear it a lot in emails that I get and ultimately, you know, a good example. I used to . Since I've started in this industry, I have always gotten emails from people saying, like, I have to make money in the next 30 days. Or like, I'm not going to be able to pay rent, or I have to make money in the next like 60 days. I have to make this work in the next 90 days. And it's always like, why 90 days? It's weird. But I always get these emails and I always get these messages and it's always like this 911 Help me, help me help me. And you know what, like, 99% of those people probably didn't do it, but they figured it out. And I think if we release some of all of that pressure, and learn to have fun, and learn to build our skills over the long term, I'm not saying don't make money, but what I'm saying is, there's a bigger pot of gold at the end of the rainbow of building real valuable skills, and you can earn while you learn but as you grow those skills, it's really important, but you have done a hell of a job. I mean, you're certainly learning but you're also earning, I mean, everything that you've spent with us you've probably made back, are you really close?

Kelly:  I'm really close. Yeah, for sure.

Matt:  Yeah. And that's a fast I mean to have started your tiktok last month.

Kelly:  Yeah, I started posting my first one, I think July the eighth.

Matt:  It's crazy. That's crazy.

Kelly:  And I'm trying to remind myself you know, like every day, you know, it's not gonna be it's just like, actually emailed drew yesterday because I was like, you know, Martic types are starting to get super low views like, do I need to meet with you? Am I doing something wrong and of course, he emailed me back, he's great, but I woke up this morning with 40 Min new followers. And like six subscribers, and I'm like, you see how you know I went like three days in a row, like kind of freaking out like, you know, I'll drop the ball somewhere. And then boom, just like one night, you know, I mean, 49 followers. I'm not complaining about that like you know, in one night, like, Lincoln, right?

Matt:  You know what this you know what this is like is here's a great here's a great analogy for for what you you're going through it those first year, a month, and you've got a three day window of time, where you're having these big spikes of like, up and down, up and down. Things are great. Things are terrible. Everything's falling apart. I'm making money. Oh, my gosh. And in the stock market over the course of like 10 years, you know, like a stock will slowly grow right over like let's say a 10 year period then that vision or that looks like that. Here. I'm gonna pull this open. And I'll show you this. Let's just say a s and p 500. All Time. Okay, I'm gonna do I'm gonna set this to max and I'm gonna share my screen here because I want to show you what the difference is like between Okay, so the s&p 500 tracks 500 stocks basically it's, it's a pretty good gauge of like, the overall stock market performance, although I can look at the just overall soc. But check this out. Look at this. So you see this period of time from like, let's say 1982 to whatever 2000 Then you have the two thousand.com Verse blah, blah, blah, but generally you have a slow start and keep building and building starts on top right. But what people don't realize is, you know, let's look at like, six months that you go from, what is this 4600 down to 42. Even if you might have days right that are like look at this day, right? 4100 up to 4181. And you have all these little moments where you have a big crash, you have big downs. You know, if you look at like the five year that we have here, right in 2020 a huge drop right? But over the longer term, stuff like that. When you get into a 10 here, and stuff like that tends to even out a little bit and you'll see that more with volatile stocks. So if you have a startup's stock, you're gonna have a 15% increase one day and a 15% increase decrease one day, but you don't really get that with Amazon or Google or big stocks, right that have been around a long time. You're in that startup phase, you're in the 15% up one day 15% down one day, but in but in 10 years from now. You'll never remember this feeling right number even remember, you had that feeling like I can tell you right now when I got started in 2009 10 Like I had those days I had days where I was like this is all over. I quit. This sucks. This is not real. This sucks and I don't remember those days. I also had days where I was like, Okay, next week, I'm going to be a millionaire. And I don't remember those days either. Yeah, I don't remember the hype and the juice of making my first high ticket sale. I remember a little bit about it because I had $0 But, the truth is, if you're going through that way those waves crash hard and they slap around. But if you have the vision of Okay, five years, 10 years from now, all of this emotional energy I'm putting into all of my freakouts is because I used to have so many freak outs that they feel better. Yeah, it's like what do they say? It's gonna just kind of be a fart and it's just gonna be here today, but it's going to be gone quickly, you know? Sitting, going live and all of that stuff but so you post your posts in these videos. First of all, how do you find the time to do the posting? The jjigae kid you're working with? And then also you have a structure? I mean, do you just kind of like to do it as you have time?

Kelly:  I cut back so I'm working three days a week. So Monday through Wednesday, I will do some at night. I'll try to do some at night when my baby goes to bed, which kind of stinks because the lighting at nighttime is you know I mean I haven't read the light but I feel like I can do better during the day. So that is kind of how I feel, but on Thursdays I'm off on Thursday. So I'll try to use the daylight on those days to make as many videos as I can. And so I'll try to post one like morning watch nighttime, you know, yeah. I mean I just squeezed on the specimen. And that's why I feel like a lot of my videos aren't like I guess top notch quality because I just have to do what I can do when I can do it, you know?

Matt:  Yeah. Yeah. For sure. No, that's cool. I think a lot of people have that and take that approach for sure. And it works. I mean, you're driving lots of leads. You're driving lots of sales and new customers and yeah, I mean, really from the get go for you. It's been pretty consistent like flow of leads and traffic is most of that from tick tock.

Kelly:  Um, yes, I think it has been so far, but I have noticed in the last two days Facebook is picking up for me. That's cool. First, you know, even with the Facebook challenge, which was great. You know, I was getting good views but not like a whole lot of interaction. But like I said, Like yesterday, within the last two days, I feel like I've gotten a lot more interaction on my Facebook reels. I got like 20 subscribers yesterday.

Matt:  Well, that was pretty good. Yeah, no, I mean,

Kelly:  I mean, not subscribers. followers on Facebook. Yeah.

Matt:  No proof. Yeah, Facebook is hot. That's for sure. You know, I was gonna say one thing if you wanted to, if you want a quick lesson on how to track differences. So one thing that you could do is you could actually create a separate funnel for each of your different offers or for each of your different traffic methods. Okay, so you have a little funnel right that you're sending all your traffic to. We do is you could go into Clickfunnels or whatever you youse and you can clump and then do you know how to use like a tag ID I

Kelly:  I think Drew did. I'll have to go back and watch out. He showed me how through eight. He did three.

Matt:  You can do the Weber tags but this one would be a little different. This one would be on your bridge page. Yeah, here let me show you. I'll share my screen real quick and we'll give everybody a little less also. So let's say this is just a random little click funnel that I've pulled up and so this is like your bridge page right? So if I edit this page, each affiliate program or each affiliate company is going to have a different way to add tag IDs. So each one of them will be a little different. But what you can do is you're gonna set you know, this is where you've got your affiliate link, right. So at the end of the at the end of your affiliate link when you would add it, it would be question mark and then it would say T ID equals and then you could put in Facebook now that's how our that's how we do it for like our affiliates but for for Clickbank they have a different this T ID would be something different it would be like tag equals are some I can't remember what click funnels are at Clickbank says, but each company that hosts these products is a habit. They usually have a tag thing that you can put at the end of your link. So it'd be like your affiliate link.com then it would just be a question mark. ID equals Facebook. So this funnel would all be faced when people click this link on this bridge page and purchase it in your back office for whatever affiliate offer you're promoting. That the sale came through Facebook. Okay, and then if you do, if you duplicate the funnel and have it again, you can then type in tick tock here. Okay and that way and you can do it on your opt in page too. So, you know, if you go to your opt- in page, you can edit your page and you can find out where your leads are coming from. So you can have C integrations and when you still get integration you can add to the list with a tag and let's say this one is our Facebook. You could put it on Facebook here under the tag. That makes sense. So then every lead that comes in whose who's from this Facebook funnel, you can go into your a Weber and do a search for tags of Facebook and you can find out how many leads you've got this month for Facebook versus how many you've got from TikTok.

Kelly:  So you would go in and you would do Facebook tag and then you would go back out and go back in and do Tiktok and like save each one. But you would just have a different funnel for each of those. And then also you can you could you could have one for if you eventually get injured, or you get on Pinterest or you know anything like that. Because then the cool part is to for instance, if you go to the last thing, last thing and then I'll I'll shut up about this, but then if you go to stats here, then you can also see how much traffic each of those is bringing you right so you can literally track the exact amount of people this month. who have come through your Facebook funnel, or tick tock or whatever. And that will give you a much more clearer idea about, like, where's my traffic coming from? Where am I coming from? What's the opt in rate of my Facebook, you know, and all of that stuff, you'll be able to see that difference and when you can see that you'll start to realize okay, so my Facebook in three times the purchasers or maybe through TikTok, I'm getting five times as many purchases my conversion rates are way higher, make more time on tick tock or maybe I should go live on tick tock.

Kelly:  Say right now like what I'm doing, like when I posted a ticket, then I will just post on Instagram, like I'm just doing all of them.

Matt:  Perfect. Totally perfect. I wouldn't change anything. Don't make it don't get harder on yourself. Don't overcomplicate it, there's people right now who are making insane amounts of sales every day who are doing just that. Okay. Yeah, I wouldn't overcomplicate it. But I will say if you want to increase your sales, definitely go live. Definitely go and watch it. Do you know Amy? Here's our hire.

Kelly:  The name sounds familiar. I think I do follow her.

Matt:  Yeah, she's on TikTok all the time going live and what she does is she holds up an iPad and then she'll like she'll go into like a little lesson just about like ecommerce. She found an article on the internet. She's not making a big PowerPoint. She was like Google searches and articles pulled up on her iPad, and then she lost her little tripod. So she's like, she's standing there. She's got a ring like, you know, and she's like, Hey, I'm on, you know, hey, we're live on tick tock tick. And she's talking about how the digital industry is or how the education industry is going digital and how people are now coming online and they're learning online and it's not a weird thing anymore. And then she just goes through some stats on this blog post, pulls up an infographic and she'll actually have it on her shoulder just like this. full blown like, I mean, TV producer. Do that. Right away. She learned over time how to go live on TikTok and have fun with it. She answers questions live with people and there's lots of ways to do it creatively. But mostly, it's just like you have to hit a post and work through it and then start to think critically and look at other people's lives and see what they do. If a life comes up on your day. You should ask yourself, what about this life? made this show up on my for you page? What do they do? How did they do that? Start to take some notes. Because the people who are going live on tick tock if they're selling something, they're making more sales than most people, I knew that for sure.

Kelly:  You know who I see lives all the time. And I mean, he's killing it. Oh yeah. Every time I see him on live and I'm like, I mean, he just goes with it to hit me. He doesn't like to run out of things to talk about and I'm like, Dude, how do you do?

Matt:  Well, you know how he does it, he's done it enough times. I mean, it's the first few lives. Phil if you're watching this know Phil's a good guy. No, he did the first couple times for anybody. It's always sort of like stumbling and fumble and like okay, what? And, over time, Phil's name with Sam Calvin, goes live a lot. All those people they just, it's once you get 20 3050 lives in the near a little bit like okay, I can figure this out. I got this, you know, greeting people and what will happen is that feeling of confidence you get because you've gone live so many times people start to feel that from you, and then it changes the dynamic a lot. That makes sense. Yeah,

Kelly:  I think it's like, personally, like once I just get it over with. It's like, it's like posting that first tick tock, you know, it's like, Okay, I did it. Now, let's roll.

Matt:  I was showing this. Man. I don't know if I still have this photo. But I was showing this photo. We did a mastermind. I don't think I have it. We're doing this mastermind, a virtual mastermind this past weekend, and I was talking about how you know when you actually decide the biggest difference between you know, starting out hitting post and the miracle of making your first dollar is you just have to hit host Right. And, and I was allowed to do that armpit sweat. You know, X wet your face can be sweating, and Dave pops on video and he just lifts his arm and he's like, Hey, this is ruining his armpits. He's like, we've been on as we've been on this webinar all day. And you know, even me I've been in this industry for 15 years and you know, still this is virtual. None of you are in the same room as me but it's still there. That's those nerves. And, but it's fun now and it's more of a challenge. Rather than just an intimidating monster. Yeah. So Well, Kelly, I think you know, I sent a challenge yesterday to a couple Whitney and Chris and I'll ask you to, you know, try it out. Just try it out and go live because I think you'll be the results. And then also, you know, if you do and, you know, if you decide to live, what we love is if you reach out in let's say one or two or three months and let us know how it's gone. I love to have you back on the show again. And, and we'll have you hop on with Dave and talk about how your appearance has been, even if it hasn't really changed anything. Guarantee is even if you know my gut feeling is that you'll get a lot more money. But even if I'm wrong, and it doesn't work that way, what you'll do is you'll learn something, and whatever you learn from that experience, good or bad, that is absolutely going to be valuable and valuable to me. So we'd love for you to share that again. Come back to the show in three months or something or two months and share with us what happened above that. Cool. Hit us up right right back to Roxy and hit us up and we'd love to we'd love to feature you again. Okay, awesome. Thank you for having me. Let me let me give you the last word. Before we head out to anybody who's who's who you know, they've got their phone and they're about to hit the post. They're nervous. And they're like, Oh, God, I can't hit the post. What would you say to that person? And what would you say to anybody who's just starting?

Kelly:  you are not alone, I have been there. And honestly, just do it. You know? I mean, it's like, what do you have to lose? Just do it and I promise you will feel better. You'll get better. I'm still learning but I feel like I'm better than you know. I go back and watch my first one and I'm like But yeah, just do it. You'll feel better. Oh,

Matt:  I love that. You'll feel better. Yes, people say that I can't even imagine how many people are saying that they're just like, No, it won't count. Better.

Kelly:  They do. They'll know what I mean.

Matt:  Yeah, yeah. All right. Cool. Kelly. Thanks for taking your time. Have a great rest of your Thursday. Have a good weekend. Thank you. All right, everybody. You know, there's a comment up here aways up and we started this thing. You know, people resonate with other people's stories and it's important and it's meaningful and I kind of blew past but I thought it was really important. And there Amber said my schedule and Kelly was talking a little bit about her schedule. And she's, you know, she's working a couple days a week. She's got one day off today. And you know this person Amber's probably never met Kelly. I've never met this person. But when we share stories and they connect with other people, powerful things happen, transformations happen. And so go follow Kelly on TikTok. It's @makemoneywithkellyg And yeah, give her some love and when she goes live, not if when she goes live. Hey, tune in, tap into the live and say Yo, I'm loving this live. This is really cool and gives her a little love. Thursday, August 11 is a wrap. We'll be back here tomorrow. JoAnn will be hosting tomorrow, Friday, August 12. And we'll be back for another great episode.

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How to quickly grow your account on Tiktok. Matt sits down to chat about growing a Tiktok channel to over 316k followers. Below is the transcription for this episode:

Matt:  How to quickly grow your account on Tiktok is what we titled the show today. Hello, happy Wednesday. It's Wednesday, August 10. Pumped that you guys are here excited that you're joining us. We've got an awesome, awesome duo lined up, lined up. I'm excited. They're going to share with us a little bit of how they got to 316,000 followers and this is going to be an awesome episode. I'm really excited about it. If you're new we go live every single Monday through Friday at 10am. Eastern time. So right at 10am we sign in, we hit Go Live, we bring on a guest. I just met them. I've never chatted with them before. At least I don't remember, we go live. we unpack a little bit about their strategy. We unpack a little bit about their business, their journey to finding success on the internet. And you know the internet is just a wildly vast opportunity to make money and create income. And I thought that I had this funny. I had this funny thought that for the last 10 years every single year I thought oh, I missed it. Oh I missed it. Oh, I missed it. And people have the scarcity mindset sometimes with the internet and and every single time that I say that a new opportunity appears right and and today this morning, we've got two more guests who are living breathing proof of that. So Whitney and Chris, what's up how's it going? Pretty good. Good. What's new?

Chris & Whitney: Oh, I really don't know. Living life. Enjoy.

Matt:  Tell us a little bit about your story and your journey to coming online. I mean, why have you found Legendary what's the story behind starting your own online business?

Chris & Whitney: I was out in the semi truck driver and I was watching TikTok and I came across. Megan Ryan recommends by watching her videos and I was like, I can do it online and be home. So I went to their website, checked it out and brought me under her. And I had ever watched the videos and they go through the website and she was like well, let's try so yeah, that's pretty much what happened.

Matt:  Cool. Cool. So where are you Whitney? Yes. Okay. So do you are you do you work are you stay at home mom?

Chris & Whitney: I used to work as a CNA and then I started having health issues. I started having seizures. And so I wasn't allowed to drive or anything and it really put a damper on my mood and and with the kids. We have six kids between us and it was just hard feeling like I couldn't do anything for anybody.

Chris & Whitney: No, yeah. It gave us hope that I could do something.

Matt:  Yeah, that's cool. What do you say when you come online? Have you ever said you are on a tick found through Megan and Ryan. They're awesome. And then and then I'm just so curious. Like have you ever tried to make money on the internet before? Yeah. So totally for the first time, totally. Brand new.

Chris & Whitney:We were definitely those people that said, if you thought you make money online, you're stupid and then we we started looking into it and it's just it's blown our minds. Yeah. First we didn't even have the money to start out. We ended up selling our car by the blueprints so that we can do this.

Matt:  Wow. So you got a truck and no car.

Chris & Whitney:We didn't have any. We sold our car that was money from that paper and then we took what was left of the bottle , a cheap car for a little while and got back on our feet and now we're back in Chevrolet Suburban. So there you go. 

 

Matt:  Isn't it just funny how like, you know, some people would be listening to this would be I don't feel fazed by you guys saying that at all. Let some people listen to this and be like are these guys that are downlines? Are they crazy? I heard this guy say this recently where he's he just said, you know, everything's gonna work out because it has to, like, everything's gonna work out because you know what, it's life and it has to, and and I just thought, Wow, what a great way to just defuse all of the stupid emotional bullshit that we've got going on in our life and all the crazy stories we tell, like, tell ourselves in our head. It's like, you know what, like, Hey, we're gonna sell our car, we're gonna figure it out. We're gonna make this a priority for ourselves. And we'll figure it out because we have

Chris & Whitney:about him feeling down about life. We got to save and even the same for me.

Matt:  So what a great partnership is cool. So you hop online, you go through some training, you purchase our upgraded training and for anybody who's new, it's just we have a business blueprints we have business blueprints that are you once you purchase our challenge. We have additional offers and things you can buy for upgraded training if you'd like you don't have to but they sure are helpful. And your experience with the challenge and the blueprints and stuff was good? Was it great was it I mean,

Chris & Whitney:it was legendary.

Matt:  I like that. And you go through all that training, how long ago it's how

Chris & Whitney:We started back in the year I think we bought February. That was started in the middle of March actually trying to put out a few videos and trying to learn the ads and stuff on Facebook. Cause that takes care of all that. Face and tick off so now hey

Matt:  So and you guys are even blueprints. purchasers, is that right? Yes. Okay, so we gotta get you guys down to Florida and get in the mansion a little bit and hang out in Florida together.

Chris & Whitney:Although we're gonna try to come to the next one. All right, cool.

Matt:  That's gonna be the first week in December, so that'd be cool to meet you guys. I'll be there.

Chris & Whitney:Whether it be

Matt:  But yeah. So okay, now my curiosity My Will, the gears in my head are turning. Okay, we've got a TikTok show here with 316,000 followers. You guys are obviously generating leads. You guys are obviously making money which is great. What's been the secret? Or maybe there isn't a secret but what's been like a catalyst of your insanely fast TikTok growth. 

Chris & Whitney:Well, it started off. Oh, making the videos. And I was running about her. You know, we talked about everything we do. And they just weren't. They weren't really working at first. We'd get a few files here and there. Maybe a lead here and there. But we just weren't seeing the success that we thought we should. He was getting discouraged. And so we sort of took a few days away to watch some more videos and then I emailed you. you email me back and say to try to watch How To videos. Okay, and how you can watch other people's videos go viral, recreate videos, and remember guys may but he had the app on his finger in Yeah, yeah, he and that's it. And he tossed it behind him. I'm like, well, I could change that up and I could take a bite out of the app and use that as my hook. And I told her about it. She said, Well, I don't think that's gonna work. Somebody's Done, done that. And I'm like, but that's what he said. So let's try it. She was so it was kind of that thing I just did. It asked for forgiveness later. And well, she kind of had no choice but to forgive me because that video was very viral

Matt:  very viral. You got 28 like 27 million views on that single video. Yeah. How long ago was that?

Chris & Whitney:It was crazy.Couple months probably.

Matt:  Crazy.

Chris & Whitney:Wow.

Matt:  That's crazy, guys. That's pretty cool. 27 mil? And actually, honestly, honest to God, that might be the most I've ever seen that featured on this show. Like I don't think I've seen somebody with a video with that many views. That's insane. Usually like 1 million or 2 million is like wow. Or like, I think, like 8 million or something. Video movies. Yeah. Wow. Crazy. And here people are oh man, TikTok.

Chris & Whitney:That apple thing and when we see people out in Canada, like really

Chris & Whitney:run into people that I've seen in years. Like what are you doing? I'll take two and a half. People I know get interested. They've checked it out. actually took the lead. But that's all well, I

Matt:  Mean, look also, the nice part is, you know, people come back around, you know, just remember the frame that we're starting here.

Chris & Whitney:Do the 15 Day Challenge and then it'll be like a month or two down the road and then they'll hit you with a big package and like, Oh, crap.

Matt:  Well, you'd be surprised it will but it's not that surprising. I think for us it is a little surprising. But you know, you guys went right through our challenge and purchased our Blueprints. You know, a lot of people we've had who purchase something. And Joanne and I were just talking about this, the other day Joanne's, our marketing manager, and I think she said that there was a guy we track here's here's the degree to which we track things at our company. There was a guy who purchased our challenge and didn't start for 39 days I think. And on the 40th day or 45th day. He got an email clicked and opened it and started the challenge. So not only do we, you know, when somebody buys our challenge, we email, email, email, never ending, but you know, he just so happened, you know, whatever. Something clicked on the 40 day and he was like, alright, screw it. I'm in you know, and I think sometimes people just need to fill things out, you know, test things out, try it out, dip their toes, you guys are kind of like all human beings. But, you know, that's a little bit of a difference, you know, you're a different breed. That's, that's like somebody who's ready for entrepreneurship. You know, ready to dive in? That's really cool. So you get on and you start creating TikToks and you're like, Screw it. I'm gonna get on TikTok. I'm gonna create some videos. I'm curious if you've gone live at all. Have you ever tried that?

Chris & Whitney:Yes. When I first started going viral, and I got to the 1000 That was one of my goals was to get 1000s Go get that first one out of the way. I think it is a feedback game. It was just I needed to do it so that I can be more comfortable with just talking to people and then not actually being there. Yeah. Still not comfortable with that.

Matt:  That's a tricky one. Right? I mean, it's tricky because you're kind of on the spot. You can't plan that much. Yeah, I totally get that. I totally get that I was on last night and I was just kind of like scrolling through some stuff. I get good at ideas by scrolling through TikTok so I'm kind of like, you know, one of the best. TikTok ads you can run is when you stitch something or you take an idea from a different video or something okay and kind of stitch together with a different video. And this girl came up who had gone through our challenge and stuff and isn't a blueprint member and she was alive on TikTok and I was like, wow, I sent that over. To Joanna. John was like, wow, she just came on my for you page at the same time. And it was just funny because, you know, I think I told her to go live on one of the blueprints, training like a couple of times and she finally did it and it was she who rushed, like she was doing so well. Her presence was so good. It was so clear. I was just like, Damn, you are killing it. And what she did was she went live and she pulled open you know, like actual industry statistics. The cool part about going live on TikTok is like you don't have to prepare this big presentation. Like you're doing a webinar or something, you know, like, you could pull open a couple of websites on your computer on your phone and just hold it up to the screen and be like, dude, check this out. It's free in this forum. Like, you know, it's like everybody's going into the digital online space and learning how to make money on the internet. Check. This out, you know, and it's just like, it's just crazy how those little things work. And if I had any, if I had any encouragement to you with the following as big as you've got, you could probably go live and really blow up your conversions because you're getting a lot of volume in terms of human beings. Big following. You got a lot of people who are like, damn, this guy's cool, loves his stuff. You can blow up your conversions by going live with everybody who goes live there, you know, consistently maybe once a week or twice a week or something. Every three days or something like that you pop online for an hour or something. Man, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised at how, how, how much that can work but it does take a little bit of it takes a little bit of like, you got to work through that initial sort of fear, not fear, but just like you got to figure out your rhythm. You know what I mean?

Chris & Whitney:I've seen the evidence of what you're talking about. When it was first going viral. You know, we were getting the views. We were getting the comments needed. But I still wasn't seeing the leads coming in and all that. That's when I went live. It was like I went live every day. Wow. For the first two weeks. First two weeks I was lathering Daikon because I didn't want to lose that momentum. Sauce sausage. And it was like every day after the concert. We got that email. Yeah. We will lead. sales and sales lead to bigger sales. Yep. So I definitely have seen that work in that school.

Matt:  Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. And you know, you might not have to go live every day. Although I know some people who definitely do and, you know, for instance, Calvin, there's no there's no secret to the fact that he's one of our top earning affiliates in our in our referral affiliate world or whatever, of all time, because he's been going live for like hours on end every day. Not every day, but almost every day for like, over a year. I think it's just absurd. But he's kind of on that like, he's on that incredible folk level like I actually don't I actually don't know how the hell he does that. But he's, you know, he's trying. He's trying to grow a multi million dollar brand you know, like he wants to grow a humongous brand and I think that you know, having a big big vision for what's possible is important. And man you guys are you guys are killing it. You guys are crushing it and you guys are where are you out here in Kentucky? Okay. Yeah, I feel like you know, truck driving, stay at home mom. I mean, you got a lot of time where you're not at home, right and then a lot of time where you are at home and there's sort of this man, I can already picture it. It's like this picture perfect story about how, you know, an online business. You know, basically just completely you could completely replace a trucker's income from something like this for sure. I'm not trying to make any big income claims but yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be crazy, that's for sure. Right? What's What's the are you guys also on Facebook or other social platforms

Chris & Whitney:with Facebook for a minute? It was overwhelming. Yeah. We were still trying to learn tic stock and then I'm trying to learn Facebook two. The algorithm is totally different. Yeah. So I just backed off of Facebook and now start with tic stock because that's what took over for me.

Matt:  Yeah. There's a good lesson in that which is there's a good lesson in that, that you had something you have something that's working really well for you. And what you did is you didn't stop what was working. And that's one of the biggest mistakes I see people make, though try something new. It'll be overwhelming and all their attention and then what was working before stopped working. And it's like, what the hell's going on?

Chris & Whitney:I went back to the old saying embrace proto faces. Yes. To get that word. Back to the one that was.

Matt:  That's right. That's right. And you can always, you know, you can always keep working, keep running what's working forever and you can as you get more bandwidth as TikTok becomes easier for you and as it becomes smoother, let's say six months in or 12 months and you're like, Okay, I actually got this down. And this doesn't take me very long to do, then you can expand and add on Facebook reels, then you can expand and add on Instagram reels or something like that. But yeah, I mean,

Chris & Whitney:you're gonna wait till later and try it again.

Matt:  Yeah, well, Facebook reels is a good one to get started with because they're working a little bit better than Instagram. reels, I think. But taking that exact piece of content you have and just downloading it off TikTok and posting it on to Facebook. Right. And the cool part is, you know when you can do that because you can do that from your home or wherever. Because you can go on your TikTok and download it on your phone or on a computer or something and then just upload it to Facebook reels pretty quick. But ya know, I was gonna say, you know, becoming omnipresent with that will allow you to just tap into smaller sources of traffic and one of them happens to go viral, bigger sources of traffic, you know, but without a whole lot more extra work. Just taking that same exact piece of content and posting it elsewhere. What's the what's so right now are you still driving right now? Like,

Chris & Whitney: So I did quit my truck driving job. Oh, yeah. He wanted to be home, we wanted him to. So we were trying everything we could get. Yeah. And when I did that, I guess I got overwhelmed because you know, I'm used to being a truck driver down here all the time. And I froze for a little spell there. Like, it's good to focus on the TikToks. Yeah, I think I was enjoying being with my family a little bit. But it was even after, you know, I took this little smell where I was just overwhelmed. Yeah, we were still receiving the winds. That wasn't even doing that. And I told her I said, we gotta get back to it. We're letting something go right here that we don't need to let go. So we're back in and now we've been recording some videos. I've probably got a month's worth of videos saved up in my drafts because I'm out back to work. So I'll be able to post them at work again, and I'm gonna let it build for a while before I do that again. Yeah, I jumped the gun. You know that success is there. But you don't want to jump the gun because sometimes the success is one month and then you're gonna build a month or two. And you got to start building again. And it's you just gotta keep repeating that process.

Matt:  Yes, yeah, totally. And so from the perspective of like, when you're creating content, are you creating content sometimes like at home sometimes on the road? Are you communicating your story about that process? Because you know, it's funny, it's funny, you might be like, Well, that was kind of a mistake. You know, maybe maybe jumped the gun a little bit on that. But also man I mean, I'm I'm but the moment you start telling that story like that, to me is the most interesting part of everything we've talked about today. Like that is something where when you when you start talking about that, that's where if you go alive, that's easier for you to talk about than it is like you know, lead generation on TikTok dog about that, but, you know, you could put a headline up on a TikTok live and say, you know, truck driver accidentally quits his job to sit here. And we will be scrolling and be like, I gotta tune into this. And I just think don't discount that because that might sound to you, like, you know, mess up. Or, or even just something that's insignificant, like not that important or something, but, man, that's the CPE kind of like, they lean in and they're like, Hey, tell me more about this. Like you started making some money on the internet. You quit your job. You weren't maybe making, you know, six figures or something and then you're just like, Okay, well, you know what I number one, maybe I don't focus on this when I'm outside of the job completely. That makes sense. To me. That makes sense. Or, you know, my brain just sort of went into this fog and I just didn't really know what to do. Kind of lost focus and good you know, I'm back and here I am living and you know, that for people is like, dang, that's cool. I like that guy. You know, he's telling it like it is. It's interesting like, you know, it's it's it's like the it's it's relatability it's like people that people understand that. That's something that is easy for somebody to grasp. Connecting auto responders is not something easy for people, nor does it even mean or what I should use it for. Yeah. Great, cool auto responder. Tell me more about how you quit your job and then realized it was mistaken. You know? Because number one people are. People are looking, you know, to be entertained on social media or they're looking to be inspired. You know, they want to be entertained or laugh and have a good time or do you want to be inspired? Have somebody share real raw kind of vulnerable moments. It's no wonder that those balls roll and people you know gravitate towards those. So what I'm what when you're so you got like 30 videos lined up? I mean, do you mostly just create videos on a whim? Do you have a system? I mean, everybody does it differently. 

Chris & Whitney: Oh, I'll be at work or I'll be out fishing or I'll be doing something to pop in my head or write it down. And I got home, or just wherever I want to do that video that I made. Yeah. I don't really have a system. It could be me scrolling on TikTok, and I see somebody else's video and I'm like, I could do that. Yeah, try that. I'll watch one. Of the blueprint videos because it's been a couple years go through all those. But here's something else if something had been out in the world, and I'm now sitting on a river bank one day. I don't even think the video went viral but it's probably my favorite one. These waves lapped up on the beach. And Apple worked on the screen. I mean it's simple, but it's not simple. You know?

Matt:  It really is. Once you start to get that they become really simple. becomes really, really simple. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree. And you start to you start to realize like just how creative you can get and man so powerful that they

Chris & Whitney:sit in the car sometimes you like my creative mode is

Matt:  So hilarious. That's hilarious. And you guys have only got like, I mean 50 ish videos on that ticket somewhere. Yeah, that's absurd. That is crazy, actually. But you know, you get a couple big viral videos and you post talks about your journey and stuff. And, you know, people say that, you know, going viral doesn't mean you're gonna get leads and sales. Well, typically it means you're gonna get something you're gonna you're usually gonna get some leads and sales. And, man, yeah, somebody just said you know, they are so cute. I totally agree. I mean, you guys have a great story and your story just online really just beginning to you know, I mean, you had just scratched the surface of what's possible. So that's cool.

Chris & Whitney:I've told her that. Now that we're starting back if we don't stop doing that, go where we're trying to go.

Matt:  Guys, if people want to find you the best place to find you on that main tic tock channel. This one right here. Yes. Well, I'm gonna give you guys the last inspiring word to everybody who's in our lives today. If there's somebody out there who's who's just about to hit post on that first video, and they're a little nervous, a little bit worried, what would you tell those people

Chris & Whitney:you just got to do it! There's no other way to put it

Matt:  They'll say but I'm scared Chris. I'm scared.

Chris & Whitney:To get yourself out there and be vulnerable and just trust in yourself. To put the word out that you want to put there that people will respond to it.

Matt:  I like it. Very cool. Well, guys, thanks for the inspiration today. And also, I want you to know, next time I'm scrolling on TikTok. I better see Chris live on TikTok. If I don't ever see it, it's cool, man. We're following so many people I'm not gonna know so I'm not trying to pressure you to do something you don't want to do but I am telling you if you want to make some more money, and that's a great way to do it. Great way to do it. All right. I'll be looking for you to live on TikTok. If I see I'll comment and be like, yo, it's Matt, what's up? I'll hit up and I'll share it and it'll be fun.

Chris & Whitney:We would like to shout out to the Taylor show. He was our mentor. And make sure to shout out so

Matt:  Wow, very cool. Taylor is a great dude.

Chris & Whitney:He's the reason we kept pushing ourselves because just his attitude, so. Wow.

Matt:  Isn't that amazing? What somebody's positivity can do to a person

Chris & Whitney: Yes. It really pushed us to even try harder when we were first starting. When we weren't celebrating for ourselves, he was celebrating. It was definitely hard to give him a shout out.

Matt:  Well, thanks, guys. Thanks for coming on the show. And we'd love to have you back on if you want to send us an email in a couple of months and just be like, hey, you know, I'd love to love to come back on the show. Here's what's new. We would love to hear from you again.

Chris & Whitney:Definitely look forward to that. Cool, hit us up.

Matt:  All right. See you guys. Thanks again. Hey, everybody, go follow Whitney and Chris. It's whit.n.chris on TikTok, go follow him. And you know, leave them a comment. Say Hey, when are you going live? When's the next TikTok live? Let's just pour it on for a while. Let's see if we can get Chris to go live while he's well. I don't know if he should go live while he's out trucking but I'd be dangerous but maybe while he's out fishing. Maybe he's out fishing talking about how we use our online businesses to make him money. 24/7. We'll see. We'll see. See if he accepts the challenge. For everybody who's here go give them a follow and and tune in and give them some love you know, hit like on their videos comment say sorry to wake up legendaries pull ups. Let them know what was inspirational to you. And we'll be back here tomorrow for another episode on Thursday. I'll be back. Joanne is going to host us on Friday. So make sure to tune in on Friday. We'll be back at the same time. Same place 10am Eastern as always Peace. Out everybody.

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Matt:  Hey there, my friends. Good morning. Welcome. It's Tuesday August 9, I have guest hosted Wake Up Legendary for Dave this week as he's on a little bit of time off and yeah, typically we go live every single Monday through Friday at 10am. Eastern and got something strange here. We'll go live at 10am Eastern and Dave will host most days, all host Wednesdays and we've been going live for about two and a half. I mean we've been doing Wake Up Legendary live for a while on Facebook. But we've been specifically going live since around the time of early 2020. Just to bring you inspirational success stories of people who are killing it online and to show you that it's possible for people from all backgrounds and all walks of life. Just normal people though not celebrities, not billionaires, right? Just normal everyday people and, you know, if you go around if you're newer to our community, and you're wondering, you know, is this thing legit, are these people legit people? The first bit of evidence, I would say that, that points in our favor is the fact that we get on with a new client five days a week and have a waiting list. That's like three weeks out. We only scheduled people three weeks out; we could schedule people two months or three months. out if we really want it to. So that is a bit of our you know a bit of our Mo is we don't hide from our clients. A lot of times people will sell somebody a product in the run and hide because they're scared of what they'll think about it. We've actually chosen to bring people on the show and invite them on. So this morning, if you all can give a little hand clap excuse me, hand clap. A moment. We'll go with allergies today. For Juanita

Juanita: Good morning. How are you?

Matt:  Good. Just that I was so unexpected. I'm a little shaky. I've got some vitamin water so will, will, will hydrate as you bring us into your story but you're all the way from Colombia from Bogota, which is the capital write offs. Tell us a little bit about your journey to coming online to bring us into like your world like tell us a little bit about you know, like, like, not just how you find Legendary but tell us a little bit about you and your story.

Juanita: Well, good morning. I'm very excited to be here. I always wanted to be in the show. Actually, since the first time I saw it, I started the training and everything. I said someday I'm going to be on that show and I'm super super excited. I'm from Columbia, South America. I live in Bogota. I am a mom. I have three kids two are my husband's and one is mine. I decided to be a stay at home mom after working 14 years in an OP services company. I worked in human resources there. And when my little girl was born, I decided to quit. Because I really wanted to stay with her. It was going to be the only time that my only chance of being a mother. So I decided to stay. So by now she's eight and I'm starting to feel you know like I mean for 14 years like I paid for my state cipher for my university. I paid for my stuff right now. I'm depending on my husband, of course. And since the lockdown things for him had been me learning a bit hard so I wanted to give my family you know, a little bit of faith. I don't care for them and you know, help him a little bit more than being just around right. So I came up with the Legendary with a TikTok. I think that the girls are from Colombia actually, but I don't think she lives here. And I don't know. I mean, he was by the time I was trying to find what I could do but I wanted to stay here with my daughter as well. And suddenly that Tiktok came and I just signed up right away. I mean, I didn't think about it. He was very strange. And I saw everything I said, Oh my God, this sounds amazing. I mean, it's maybe too good to be true. But I mean, really, I thought it's $7 I mean, what can I lose, right? So I just bought the training and they started and oh my god. I mean I was I couldn't believe all of the information that you have given me for Senators was like amazing so By day three I decided to play by the blueprints because for $7 Jackie notice what's going to happen if I pay if I buy the blueprints I mean I'm gonna be you know, full of info information and I mean it's not gonna stop coming right? So I decided to buy in. I mean, it was like I didn't have the money to buy the blueprints. Actually I had to. My mother gave me half of the other stuff with a credit card because I mean, that amount of money in my currency is a lot, you know, where Columbia person so I decided to do it because really, I mean, for some reason it sounded right. It sounded like like, was something that I could do and I mean, I was going to be good at it. And I was going to be in the show. work you know, so I don't know it was very strange that the feeling that I had that this this was real

Matt: Fascinating. There's so much there. I feel like you find it? Did you find when you dove into the blueprints did you get the information you needed? Was it what was the expectation and then did you feel like we delivered on that expectation or how is that then diving into the blueprint? And just for everybody who's here? Those are just optional training that are additional that are offered in our 15 Day Challenge. A lot of times people hide the fact that they've got to sell more stuff. It's like yeah, of course we do. We're a business and we want to offer better, more in depth training. And we're not going to give away all of our secrets for $7. Although we do give away a lot. That's kind of an absurd thing and the price point should match the value that's in there. That's how commerce should work. It's why people don't sell T-shirts for $1. It's not, you know, anyway, yeah. Tell us a little bit about that.

Juanita: Oh, of course. I mean, you exceeded my expectations, you'd exceed my expectations with the $7 course and you exceeded the expectation with the blueprints. I mean, the amount of information we had the trainings that we have with you every Thursday I mean that's like having no and you know the community and all they ask that you do that you including in the blueprints I mean without paying more you know the train more trainees that you that you deliver there. I mean, it's amazing. It's amazing. I mean, I go to that course almost every two days and see if there's something new and something else or maybe something nice and I want to learn more because I really want to learn a lot. I mean I didn't want to start my business without knowing everything. So this is why for me, it was very important to get the blueprints and to really feel like you know 100% sure of what I was doing and people will come and ask me if I could tell them, you know, tell them why and how it is done and everything. So I like to know a lot and study a lot. So that's why and this has been amazing. I mean, it never stops.

Matt:  Super cool. Super cool. And this was like this was totally new. For you. Right? Like you didn't do some drop shipping thing before like a lot of our people who've come through our training. They've paid like they've tried little drop shipping things or lots of different training. They've tried eBay, Amazon, FBA, all of this different stuff. You haven't tried any of that.

Juanita: It was my first time doing something online. And I can tell you in detail right because I've heard about you know making, you know, like in answering interviews online, things like that. I've heard about it but I heard that you don't make you know, like a lot and so I never really tried you know, I never really thought it was possible. And I didn't know what affiliate marketing was. I didn't know it existed at all. So for me, I mean jumping into this was like a whole new world that I never thought was possible. You know.

Matt:  That's so cool. And evil. I mean, you've already made back that investment, which is cool. I mean, the amount, whatever investment whatever you want to call it. You know the price that you've paid for your education with us you've you've made back and then some for sure which great congratulations. It's a great start. And I feel like you're just getting started but man, how did you go from just learning to earning as we call it? How did you go from learning and then going into I'm gonna now be a business owner and take ownership and actually get started and start building a business like what you started creating content on on video content. How did that go?

Juanita  

Oh, my God, that was very hard. But actually, I decided after the killing a day, after that day, I say okay, I have to do this, you know, and I was, I mean, I'm very shy. I don't like to do videos of myself. I mean, it was something that I never did in my life. I had picked up for my dog and my cats, you know, but I mean never for myself. Never. Matt:  Did you actually run it to account for your pets? 

Juanita: Yes I have. But that was as long as I knew about tic tac, you know, I mean, there was no way and um when I saw these videos of people doing Tito's I was like oh my god, you think I can do that and and I don't know it just something clicked after taken in a day and decided okay, let's do it. It was so hard because I don't know what I did but I decided to do the video and talking which I was very scared to do because, you know, English is not my first language. So I did everything in the first video. Everything I thought I couldn't do. Oh, it was very hard. I spent like two hours making the duck thirsty. I mean, it was so hard and I was trying to cover my face with with letters and everything because I didn't want really two people seeing me it was so so complicated and unscary and I did it and I posted and that first video got like 4000 views my first video so I was like really? So as soon as I did that video, I was like, okay, I can do this. And wow, people are watching and they like it and oh my god. I mean it was amazing. So of course the second video was a little bit easier for me. And well now I make videos every time I'm anywhere in the world. I mean I've been on vacation right now for a month and a half. And I never stopped posting and then there was every day posting and doing a video where I was walking with kids or whatever and I was making a video and I mean your your mind changes with this with all this training with all all the things that you get your mindset, everything changes and you use thinking all the time you're thinking about, Oh my god, this is a good thing that I can do a video about, you know, and is amazing how your mindset changes. And well for me starting this job he was I mean, taking me out of my comfort zone. I mean every level and you were actually like me and my mom because it's scary. It's confusing. It takes you out of your comfort zone. You have no idea what you're doing. You are not, you don't know if you're doing it right or wrong, you know, but you do it because you're a mom or you have to, you know, to do it yourself. Their child depends on you. So, for me that was exactly how this felt, you know, and I wanted to do it for me. I want it to be successful. I want to do it for my family and for my husband. For my daughter, you know, so it's been a right actually.

Matt:  Yeah. No, I mean, you're obviously crushing it but that's such a funny thing when you go on and like 4000 human beings watch this. Are you kidding? Me? How long ago did you start that?

Juanita: I started my detox in March at the beginning of March. Actually, I got 1000 followers in a week. So I was like, oh my god so me. It was amazing. I couldn't believe it.

Matt:  Crazy. So did you? You've also got followers on Instagram. Like I think we've got over 1000 followers on Pinterest.

Juanita: Well, one of the things that, you know, it's been said in all of the training sessions is that you have to be omnipresent. So I decided okay, why not? Let's give it a go. And at first I just started with Tiktok and Instagram because you could post on both of the platforms together. And he's he was you know, it's very slow, you know, it's not it's not as good as picked up and I decided on the Okay, let's let's try Pinterest, you know, to see how it's gonna go. And oh, my god. Dangerous has been amazing. I mean, I couldn't believe I mean, Pinterest for me was looking for ideas for my daughter's birthday. That was Pinterest for me. That's what I thought about it. And right now I'm like, Oh, my God. I mean, people really look for things in Pinterest, you know, and about jobs and about I mean, I didn't know it was like that. And the first thing I did is it has more than 100,000 impressions. The first Pinterest I put there. So I was like, wow. And there was a video in TikTok. It didn't resonate at all. I mean it was very low views, you know, but on Pinterest it is and I still see people cleaning and saving it and I was like, Oh my God.

 

Matt:  Yeah, that's funny. Well, it's a beautiful lesson in marketing. And for everybody who's listening. I want you to leave us a little comment. If you're ready for a gold nugget. Just say I'm ready. And I'm going to drop a little gold nugget that you are wanting to be already doing. But I want everybody here to know the secret about what you just said. Which is and here's the word. The word is omnipresence. And the reason that we're sometimes confused as marketers is because it sounds like a really tricky, confusing marketing term or something right? But the truth is, if you're posting one single video on your TikTok, you're taking that video, right and then you're putting it on these different platforms. So it's one piece of content that you're present everywhere on social media. If somebody wants to follow you on Pinterest because they like Pinterest better, they're gonna go follow you on Pinterest. So what's happening though, is different algorithms might be triggering or firing at different times or better uncertain days. And we don't really know why. Like, we can pretend to know why, but we don't really know why we're not. We might be good marketers, but we're not geniuses. Right? And, and so taking a video off Tik Tok and then putting it on Pinterest or something, or putting it on Instagram or putting it on Facebook reels or YouTube shorts, all of those things. Taking that and doing that lets you get enough content into the algorithms into the social media world where one of them might just randomly pop off and get 10,000 views or 50,000 views, just totally random. And the problem that most people run into is they're only creating content on one platform because they think that platform is the hot platform. And then Pinterest gets hot and they stop creating content on the first one, jump to Pinterest or jump to another one. And the truth is it doesn't work well, you can tell me from my experience, it doesn't take that much more work to take that original video and then go post it across multiple different platforms. Am I right or am I wrong?

Juanita: You are completely right. I mean, every platform, I mean, I mean, I mean YouTube, I mean, Facebook, I mean Instagram.

Matt:  Everywhere, right? Yeah, you're all over. The place. And after the first couple, you know, repost that you do. It starts to get a lot easier and faster, right?

Juanita: Yeah, yeah, of course.

Matt:  And then you're also replicating all of your results. I mean, you're spreading your brand, you're spreading your content suddenly here on, like, every platform all over the place. Which is kind of cool, because think about it. You're only like five or six months into creating content on the internet in general and building your brand. Like that's a pretty cool thing.

Juanita: Yeah, no, you didn't see these and, like, I tell you, I never thought I would do it. This is like, wow, I mean, I had that many followers. I mean, and you start to stop thinking about the followers, right? Because at the beginning, I was like, No, I want to be in 1000 You know, and right now I'm like, I mean, I created content because I like it. I created content, because this is fun. You know, I had so much fun making videos right now. Sometimes I just mean I made a video on and when I went to post it. Oh my god. Remember on a post that and and I posted and I just laughed so much because I couldn't believe I posted something like that. But I have fun. I have those videos. I mean, it's amazing. It's really funny but it's cool.

Matt:  Cardio, you're amazing. And also your outlook on this is so refreshing. Because I hope you hear I just hope everybody hears the energy of and you keep using this word fun. And sometimes we just get so locked into this like oh, what is everybody gonna think of me? Oh my gosh, I hope people don't make fun of not even make fun of me, but I just I'm just so worried like maybe I'm going to be seen as a loser or as like, or as somebody who's not good enough for you know, like, I don't know, whatever it is for people or you know for me it's it's usually like, oh, people are gonna think I'm not good enough for you know, I'm ugly or my teeth are crooked or something or you know, but honestly, like the people who really start to come in to their video content or just content in general, even written content on blogs, and are just like, and I'm gonna have fun with this, you know, and screw in. Anybody might think of me. Forget about it. It doesn't matter. I'm gonna have fun with this. What a great word, man. I love that there's so much freedom in that there's so much like looseness it feels loose, right? I'm a big sports fan. I played sports and I'm not a big sports fan, but I like to play sports and I grew up playing sports. And there's this: there's this sort of unwritten rule is in team sports where the team that that a lot of times this happens around like the championships where the team that's really tight. Like they're, they're nervous and they maybe don't have the sort of real bond with their teammates, but they're really talented. They're really talented and they're really good. But they don't really have the sort of looseness, right, like maybe in the locker room. They're not listening to their favorite music and they're not kind of like you know, like like, like making jokes with their friends on the team, you know. And then the other team who maybe just slightly less talented or something, maybe they don't have the all star on their team. But they've got fun music bumping in the locker room before the game. They're focused, but they're also you know, like, they're loose, they feel loose, then they get out on the court. It's the big moment the lights come on. And they're they're loose, they don't have those butterflies that are like, you know, killing them and they can actually shoot and then a lot of times that team is the team that wins because they're loose and they feel good and they're having fun and they're they remember that this is this whole journey is about having fun and enjoying yourself. And I get that energy from you and that's really cool and inspiring to me.

Juanita: Thank you Well, at the beginning it wasn't fun, right? Like I told you my first video was two hours and I mean, oh my god

Matt:  Money to start your business and I mean, you had a lot on the line, right? Yeah,

Juanita: Yeah, but I wasn't under pressure. You know, I mean, I mean, I think everybody at the beginning is like, Okay, I wanna make some money. You know, I want to see money. I mean, you know, and, and suddenly I said, Okay, no, it's not about the money. Let's have fun, you know, and let's do that. Let's do this and things are gonna come you know, they're gonna come forward, they're gonna come maybe two weeks, maybe two days, maybe four months, you know, I mean, it's gonna come you know, but if you if you are consistent and if you do it and if you keep doing it and you're having fun with it, and you know and feeling that you're trying to help people that they're showing people what, they're, that this is real. I mean, the results are real, you're gonna it's gonna happen to you, you know, it depends on on, I don't know, on a lot of things, but it's gonna happen. And I happen to have this thing in front of my wallet.

Juanita: Seven. I have these here. I don't know if it's backward. So. Wow. Yeah. So that's what happens every time. Every time that you are on a journey like this. You're You're, you're gonna want to give up at some point, right? But no, I have this in front of me and I'm not gonna keep up. You know, I'm gonna crush it. I'm gonna you know, and it's gonna happen.

Matt: That's all it is happening. It is.

Juanita: It is happening. It is happening. And it happened. I mean, and the funny thing is that the moment that I have more commissions, you know, it was when I was on vacation, I was like, Oh, my God, I know. What's this? You know, I'm on vacation. And I'm making in one day, I made more than I'm making at my previous job in one day, I mean, I was like, Oh my God. You know, I really couldn't believe it. For me. That's amazing. And I mean, I'm proof that you can do this from anywhere in the world. I mean, at the beginning, I thought that maybe I was at a little bit of a disadvantage, because I'm in Colombia, you know, as far as my followers were, of course from South America, and then you know, I started spreading a little bit around the world. And I think you heard me a lot of times for your Thursday's webinars. Me telling you how I can get out of my soul You know, because you see what is happening you know, I just, I'm just being consistent in a post posting, I'm giving my best, you know, so it's gonna happen. It did.

Matt:  So cool. Yeah. And, you know, I feel like, oh, that image or that photo that you held up there that was that's such a powerful image where, you know, somebody's digging and digging, and digging and digging. This close from the miracle on our on our, we did a virtual ashram and this past weekend that I closed up the mastermind by saying, you know, you're probably this I said, somebody this effect, you're probably this close from a miracle from a huge breakthrough from doing something that you never thought was possible. You're probably this close and you'll never hit that miracle, the difference between that miracle happening and not it's just hitting the Post button, just hitting going in, recording some content, writing blog, post, whatever it is, and hitting post and doing that consistently. Day. After a day of mobility through you know, what people are going to say of me, what are people going to think just hitting Pope's, and that's really where the miracle happens. And when people start to believe that and see that that's, that's really where the miracle happens. And so, man, such a great story and such a great sorry, such a great inspiration to us in our community and your energies and credit. Do you ever go live?

Juanita: Well, I have gone live three times. But with the three differences I mean, there's our Facebook community inside legendary that is amazing. And at the beginning, I heard that you have to go live after the courthouse, you know, like, okay, but it felt very strange to do it by myself, right? So I wrote a post and I asked you guys if there is any mom that wants to do with me so we can support each other? So I did this. I did this with two moms at that time. And it was a little scary, you know, to go live with somebody because it's like this you know, you're talking you're you know, sharing stuff. And I have done like portlights with another period from Legendary. Also, we contacted the Facebook group, and he has been very nice. We had been trying to do it like a weekly thing, you know, but since I went to Vacation saying we stopped , it was pretty nice. We went to live with him like three times. And we did like for an hour and it was good. But I've never done it by myself. I tried to do it once by myself. And it feels so weird. I mean, it was like oh my god and no, I people don't come you know, and that's Jesus. So I really really enjoyed doing that with somebody else.

Matt: It's great. Yeah, yeah, no, that's a great idea. It's great. That's brilliant. It's honestly brilliant. And oh man, I think more people should capitalize on that. That's really powerful, that's so powerful, but also, you know, just going live in general, but I don't know if I say this to everybody. Mostly saying this to you because I feel like you have infectious energy. And I just I think that that energy really translates well to going wide like Amy forgot her last name starts with an age but anyway, Amy, she goes live a lot and taught at our Mastermind and I just think sometimes you get that you get that energy that's sort of infectious where, you know, you start you start going and you get the hang of it and it can do a lot for your sales. Going live just for everybody who's here. You know, a lot of times when you create content, it's seen as this piece of content that's out there that just you know is somewhere out there in outer space. Right and to the to the you have to think through the subconscious of somebody who's sitting there looking at your videos, right? And they're scrolling and they happen to come across one of your videos. Great. That's awesome. They discovered you right? But the truth is in the unconscious of our brain, we're a little bit like how long ago was this created? Is this person still around? Like what? You know, we start this isn't something we actually think about but our brain is sort of doing a scan like is this trustworthy? Is this not like what's, who is this person? Do I really think they're first? Do I trust this person? You know, in our brains doing the human brain thing? And even if we decide that we trust somebody, and we're like, Hey, this is kind of cool. It's really cool. We still have a lot of doubt right? But man, if you hit the Go Live button, and suddenly it's like, we're alive. And this person I saw doing a video before is now over here and they're live for me on my screen. Holy crap. Like now this is real. Now I'm like looking and staring at a real human being. It's a way different experience, which is why so many people who go live regularly make exponentially more sales. And this is true not just like in our industry. This is also true in e-commerce. Like I've seen and heard interviews of many people who sell for instance, like T shirts and what are some other little like kind of trinkets and stuff that's totally different than selling education. Same thing, they'll go live on Tik Tok and talk about their product. They made a little dog toy or so they you know, like they made this indestructible dog toy. They go live and they like they'll frickin play tug of war with this dog. And they're like, look, this thing will never break. This is 125 You know, pity and this thing is never gonna break and people are like, Oh my gosh, like I got this thing you know, and there's a little, you know, they're like, go to the link of my bio and purchases them from my website, you know, and they sell like hotcakes. And there's just something about the live element. I'm just telling you, so I think with your energy and sort of your passion and your fire and positivity, you'd crush it at the start up.

So you're still crushing it either way, but you know push through that little that little fear that is kind of weird in between moments and try a couple different times of the day. You know, go live for 30 minutes and have something kind of pre planned that you can talk about. You know, and then try a different times. of the day and see if one of the times of day really kicks off because sometimes that can help to and then and then yeah and and just talk with people greet them as they come in say Hey, how'd you find me you know like, what's what's up Lisa? You know, and just have many conversations with people. It's, it's, I wouldn't worry about not that many people being in there when I sign by the way, here's my last thing and then I'll stop ranting when I sign onto a live and it's like me and two other people. I actually get a little excited because I'm like, sweet like I can actually just message versus straight up. They're going to read it. Like they're going to read it and they're probably going to engage with it. So, you know, we view it as, Oh, I'm a loser. But the truth is, like most people in their smaller lives, they're just excited. They're they're like, Oh, this is cool. Like, hey, I remember seeing this vs video a while back and or they don't and they're just like, Who the heck is this person? And they're just like, Okay, what do you talk about you talking about making money online? Oh, yeah, all of that stuff is BS and you're like, Oh, great. We can talk now, let's do this. Or are there like, yeah, you know, I hate my nine to five and I wish I could, you know, work online but I don't have any tech skills. And I don't I don't really create videos. You know, I've only got a channel for my dogs. And I only oh my gosh, no. You know, so there's, there's ways in the same light where you're like, Hey, I'm going to make this fun. You'd have to take that approach and apply it to your lives. That makes sense.

Juanita: Okay, okay. Some things that I tried. The first time I tried to do a live show by myself. I tried to give a little course, you know, where he was like how to be an Amazon associate and how do you know, and I did that and at the beginning I got some people there and I started doing that. And it was kind of fun. You know, I mean, to teach something because it did not feel like everything about me or something else. So, but then I stopped.

Matt:  I'm gonna write something here on my screen here in just a second and then I'm going to show you this. Here's, here's a way that you can play around with this. And for everybody who's stuck around into minute 40 of this live, I'm going to give you a really bomb ass strategy around going live. And I hope you're ready for it. So when you go live on tick tock or something like that. Here's one of the best ways this is gonna play a second. So let me go live and I'm gonna just get a hold of this up to the screen so you can see this, but I'm gonna do a green screen effect. Have you ever tried doing a green screen effect when you go live?

Juanita: Yes, we put the green screen effect and I put in the back my, my TikTok you know, profile so I can tell people okay, just here, you know?

Matt:  Genius. Yeah, so what I was gonna say is you know something like this like a green screen where it says you know stay at home mom starts online business in two weeks. Here's how. You know since you're an affiliate for companies in the Make Money Online industry, that would make sense, but you could also do you know, brand new, brand new unbreakable dog chew toy lasts for years, you know or something. My challenge to you would be to use a really strong copy in your live and put some sort of headline above you know, that's really polarizing or as people are scrolling. They're like, whoa, that's crazy. thing that jumps off the screen at them. stay at home mom making money while on her. Do you say you're on vacation? Just traveling around?

Juanita: Yes, we were on vacation for one month and a half? Yeah.

Matt: Stay at home mom takes 45 day vacation and makes money all from her tick tock all from her social media. Here's how right I mean, what a great inspirational story and headline and as people are scrolling they're going to stop I mean, they're going to stop and and or don't put here's how instead they asked me anything. Right and ask me anything. Stay at home. I'm making money online, while on her 45 day vacation or you know, something like that. And people are gonna come up. First thing they're gonna say. They're gonna say that's bullshit. I know. You're gonna get tons of engagement. And people are gonna start flooding in, they're gonna start flooding it and you know, you can do something like Amy does, where she holds up an iPad and it's kind of like hey, look, I got trained and I I figured it out. And here's a little bit of the training that I've done right and in this is like, actually what I do is I went through a full 15 track 15 day training, started my own business, blah, blah, blah. But getting that really good copy is going to be the difference between she was like a 7000 following. If you've got 1.5 million followers, it's easy to get people in your life with 7000. You're going to need a tiny bit of really good coffee. And what will happen is people will sell coffee. And I talked earlier about the unconscious mind and how people perceive our marketing. They're going to see that marketing and they're going to be like, dang, you know what some people are going to be like I call BS majority of people in the back of their mind are thinking Damn, that was a great headline to their thinking if show that good of a headline. She probably knows a little bit more because I am so intrigued right now. Right? And that's and the third part that communicates unconsciously to people is that, dang this, this person probably can lead me to where I want to go. And that's why that's important. It's not just to grab people's attention and it's that being able to grab somebody's attention that weighs in that compelling. It tells them hey, this person has really put in the work to build a skill and they're there. They believe in themselves enough to put out a headline like this to get my attention and now I'm here to list here. Here we go. Like let's see what we can say. That makes sense.

Juanita: Yeah, totally.

Matt: Just ranting but I just have seen it so much where people build a consistent monthly income after they get to 1000 or 5000 10,000 followers, and then they start going live and a lot of times it was an algorithm that usually happens when people go live for a long time. But um, yeah, any thoughts or what what? What are your thoughts on some of that stuff?

Juanita: No. He's amazing. Of course, always. Everything that you say is going for me, you know, I have like, this is my book, where I'm in my notebook I think, you know, 1000s of notes of everything that you said and are the courses and everything and I go back to them and I mean, that's cool. That's all that's true. And I'm gonna do it because, you know, I already have done the first step and you know, I can do 3,4,5,6 Whatever, you know.

 

Matt: Oh, boy. Totally. Yeah, cool. It is @marketingmom101 The best place for people to find you.

Juanita: Yes, cool. You can find me everywhere as @marketingmom101

Matt:  I love it, which is a genius handle. What? What would be any final words or bit of advice that you would have for people? Let's say they're just getting started online. What final bit of advice would you have for those people?

Juanita: Oh, my advice will never stop. Be consistent. It's gonna happen to you. Just keep going learning and when you feel that it's not working and just go back to the training and see because the answer is there. I mean, maybe it's your copy, maybe say you're the way you're, you're approaching your teeth dog. So you know. So the answer is in the course. I mean you have everything you have yet everything there to be successful. I mean, so maybe you need to retrain yourself, you need to go back and read you know, and I mean, that the course is cold. I mean, you don't know what you have for that. $7 is something that I would never expect any company to give me and will not keep up. That's my advice. Really don't give up. I felt that I was gonna give up at some point. Because, you know, but I didn't I didn't. This is my best advice right now. Don't give up. It's gonna happen. You just need to put on the work. You need to learn. You need to learn new skills. You need to get yourself out of your comfort zone, you know, and, well, it's not comfortable. That's fine. Sure. You're out of it. It doesn't mean it's not gonna work. I mean, probably you're gonna be as amazed as me of what's been happening.

Matt: Totally. Well, cool. Thank you so much for coming on. I'll put up your social media handles here for people. And anytime you want to come back, just send us a message. We'd be happy to have you back on the show.

Juanita: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. I was really nervous but really, really happy to be here. I mean, it has been amazing. The first time I had an interview was really, really amazing. And I really appreciate it. I appreciate you guys. Because you have given me so much so much as a mom, as a wife, you know, I mean you have given me a really, really, really amazing education and mindset. 

Matt: Thank you so much for the kind words. That's right. Nice. Thanks. All right. I'm gonna let you go and send us an email if you'd like to be back on the show. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Bye bye. Are you good finding Juanita at marketing mom one on one and when she goes live on Tik Tok this week. You can, you could, you could join her Tik Tok live and say Hey, I saw you a week of legendary Nice job going live. I just look for the pressure on people. I'm just kidding. If he doesn't ever want I'll never know probably I don't spend a lot of time on tick tock and I don't watch a lot of stuff on tick tock but go give her a follow and give her some love like you know if you see one of her videos and you like it, give her give her a like to to say hey, you know, amazing video or something and and give her a little boost on her channel. So it's if you're just listening, it's marketing mom 101101 Tick Tock Instagram Pinterest you name it. You can find Juanita on all those. We'll be back here again tomorrow, same time, same place. 10am Eastern. I'll be hosting the remainder. I'll be hosting Wednesday Thursday. Joanne is going to host on Friday. And we'll wrap up the week. So amazing, amazing interview. I feel inspired by Juanita this morning. I hope you guys do too. We'll be back here tomorrow.

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College Student Builds Online Side Hustle

 

 

Looking to build an online side hustle? Today's interview is with a college student who is building her online side hustle. Matt, the CMO here at Legendary Marketer interviews Melanie. Grab all the details below. Here is the transcription for this episode:

Matt:  Looking to build an online side hustle? What's up everybody? Happy Monday. I am Matt and I'm guest hosting today. I'm the CMO here at Legendary and excited to bring you another awesome guest to our Wake Up Legendary show. If you're newer to our community, we go live every single Monday through Friday at 10am. Eastern and what we do is we bring on people in our community for people who have taken our training, and we bring them onto our show and we unpack what did they do to find success how are they creating content, how, what's their style of business that they're running if they're running one of the core four business models, whether that's affiliate marketing, digital courses, coaching and consulting or events and masterminds? Those are our core four business models. So if you're newer, welcome, and we're excited to have you here, sit back, relax and enjoy the show today and come back every single Monday through Friday at 10am. Eastern, because we bring on guests, virtually every single day has happened for over two years now. So without further ado, if you all can give me a little hand clap emoji just like to welcome our guest for the day. She is a college student building an online side hustle. Her name is Sydney, Sydney what's going on? 

Sydney: Hey, how are you? I'm good. How are you?

Matt: I'm good. I'm excited to have you on the show. Tell us like where are you? tuning in from?

Sydney: Right now I'm in New York. So I'm at my house. But I actually got back last night from an internship in Boston. So cool. I was up. It was good. It was good. Very cool. It's awesome.

Matt:  I like both of those places. I was just in New York. As in we visited Manhattan last week. And a few years back, we visited Boston and I just like the history and the feel of both of those cities. 

Sydney: Yeah, yeah, I like Boston a little better than New York. I don't live in the city of New York City, it can be a lot.

Matt:  Yeah, for sure. For sure. Well, cool. Um, so you are still in college still working through that we decided to hop on and supplement your college degree and everything you're doing with some entrepreneurial stuff online. Tell us how you got you interested? First of all, I'm curious. And then also just you know, how did you find legendary?

Sydney: Yeah, so I actually found Legendary through another affiliate and TikTok name was Taylor. But so I just kept popping up on my page. And I was like, maybe I'll check it out. But sort of the reason I was interested in the first place, so I'm like, I'm studying electrical engineering at Brown right now and I'm super passionate. about it and I want to work in biotech and I love all that stuff. But I always found myself looking. I was like, oh, I need to find the highest paying job like how can I need to like set like, I never want to travel the world and I want I want I sort of big dreams for myself both like personally and like, for my career. I wanted an online side hustle.  And I kept finding like, oh, like, I don't want to be worried about that. I want to be able to maybe take a break and travel the world. I don't want to sort of just be sort of stuck in that life. I don't want to feel stuck in my life at all. So I was just sort of, I was like, Oh, why not? It's a seven day 15 Day Challenge. Like why not do it? So I started it and then I got the prints and stuff but I actually took a little break before I actually ended up starting like actually making content. I just kind of got busy finals and all of that stuff. But then over the summer I started at the end of June creating content. I started just on tick tock but then I sort of went to other platforms and stuff but it kind of blew up a little bit. So it was really exciting. And it's been great like supplemental income. And it's such a cool concept of passive income and sort of like we're waking up and we're like, oh, I have money. Right? It's pretty cool.

Matt:  Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah. And it has grown pretty quick. Like you're doing a really good job and it seems like it's just doing really well so that's really cool. And so you got on Tik Tok, you're at like 10 that 11,000 followers or something? When did you start creating content? Cause you found our challenge a long time ago?

Sydney: Yeah, yeah, I found it in like, like last April or May like that. I started so I actually started creating content in the fitness niche at first. Um, so I was just like making out. videos and stuff like that and trying to promote fitness where, but I was sort of I wasn't having that much success within that. Because I think I mean, if someone made a sale, it was like for $20 and I would get in. It was sort of difficult for me. And I just wasn't getting as many views I wasn't getting that much. So then I was like, why not? Like I was seeing a lot of people who had success with legendary, and I plan on doing more than just being an affiliate for legendary have started like making a course and I'm excited to sort of like see where all of this can bring me but I started creating content, I think the end of June for legend for legendary, so.

Matt:  Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of people love their experience with us and that's part of the reason why they either start or become an affiliate of ours. And then as they start to learn skills, and the reason I think is because it's just so obvious in front of their face, maybe I don't know. But as people start to build skills, yeah, they go on and they create courses and a guy from 2020. I recently saw that he just hit what's called a two comma Club Award with ClickFunnels, which means you basically have done a million dollars in sales and using a ClickFunnels funnel. And, and, yeah, and that had nothing to do with us. It didn't benefit our company at all. He wasn't affiliated at one point. I don't know if he is still or whatever, I don't know. But I learned some skills and then was like, hey, you know what, like, I can figure this out. I would like to create my own course and kind of be my own business owner a little there's a lot of hassles and stuff that come with that but but for some people, it's it's not satisfying enough to not be the person creating the courses and so it's like, Hey, I'm gonna I want to I want a new challenge. I want to turn the next corner so that's cool. A lot of people do that with coaching to the Facebook group and do some group coaching or one on one coaching and stuff like that. And then, you know, one of the I think one of the really cool pieces to this is people will then I you know, a lot of times people think in the very short term, but over the long term, I've seen people from this industry and in talking and more like 510 15 years start random companies or for instance in my case, my wife started a therapy practice. And it's this known thing that in the therapy world if you start your own practice, it's just so hard to get clients to get peep Totti like how do people find you? Where do you go, you go to networking events or something I don't know. And I was able to take the skills that I had built. You know, I took my first Google Ads course about nine or 10 years ago and took that knowledge and took everything that I learned and I love her her therapy practice and she has 10 therapists now hired under her she's got multiple offices and her business is just booming and she works like 20 hours a week. And it's one of those things where people really don't really realize there's just so much value in learning digital skills and the places you can apply them are crazy. Anyway, a little bit of a rant there but wanted to go back to like your May to July thing, your little delay. You're feeling it out and you're creating content. First of all, I wanted to say that's such a valuable thing for us. For you to share with us because there's so many people who go through that same exact, like incubation period, right? Where they're just kind of feeling things, figuring it out, Miss people out there who are trying to sell them additional things and they're like, Well, come on, hurry up. What are you waiting for, you know like, Hey, you're never going to change, start. Well, you know, whatever, start shaming people and I just think people need to feel it out a little bit. So that's cool. And I'm thankful for sharing that. When you get on TikTok. You were doing some stuff in the fitness niche. You're in the make money online niche now. Have you created content before? Were you mostly a consumer or, like what was your social media experience like before that?

Sydney: Yeah, so I mean, I like I had like personal accounts where like, I'll post like once a month or whatever like on my Instagram and I had TikToks I didn't really make TikTok so I just kind of watched dogs I was always like, people that make TikToks are weird, but but but so I had never really made any real types of content. I had done a little bit of advertising for not not digital advertising, just like posters and stuff from like, dance at college and stuff. But that's basically all the marketing experience that I had before. So I didn't really have any experience in either creating content or marketing. 

Matt: Yeah, like just I haven't really done much at all. Which is like most people so and then you get you go and you start creating content. For there's a lot of people here who are creating content every day. How am I going to grow followers? How am I going to get followers? Do you have any tips or like what your content creation process has been like and do you have tips for people who are just starting and just getting going?

Sydney: Absolutely. Well, first, it took me probably like, like, I was getting used shoes for like, I was probably getting maybe 200 views for like, like weeks and it's so frustrating. I was getting some lead submissions and I was like, so frustrated and it's hard to keep going when you aren't seeing results. And I think that's when a lot of people are like, I'm giving up. I don't know what to do. But my first piece of advice is to keep going and push past that and just wait and keep creating content. Like you have to really believe in yourself. Because if you don't believe in yourself, and you're like, I can't do this, what am I even doing here then? Who else is gonna believe you? So that's my first piece of advice. My second piece of advice is to look at other people's content that is successful so you can kind of like scroll through other affiliates or whatever, of whatever company that you're promoting, and be like, Oh, like that video did really well. How can I put my own twist on that? Or like, oh, like why did that do what are people commenting about and sort of just try to apply that to your content?

Matt: Yes, totally. 100% Yes. And even like searching through hashtags, right? Like a lot of people don't realize that when you want to go create real great content. You can go look through certain hashtags on certain channels. And, for instance, I'm gonna see if I can pull this open. I don't know if I can, but there's a lot of like videos in the I've researched the dating niche a lot like relationships and like dating advice and stuff like that because it's a very fascinating like, I don't know it's just a fascinating niche. And then see if I can find like, here, it'd be available. This is just kind of a funny one. I'll pull this up and let me know if you can see my screen. Okay. This Mr. Healthy Love is just kind of like, I don't know, it's just awkward and funny. You know, he's got a free ebook, right? He's a dating life coach, subscribe to my YouTube. Alright, so fair warning, everybody. I have not clicked or followed this. Link before. Okay, five mistakes men and women make when attracting the opposite sex. Okay, so is he relationship material? So, this is kind of his lead magnet that got going in the dating niche. Oh, I guess you can see that. Hang on. There we go. Yeah. So he's got his little lead magnet here free ebook, blah, blah, blah. But if I was in the dating niche, I would come in here and start to see multiple hash tactics. Like, oh, dating advice. Okay, interesting. Let's look at dating advice. And start to just see what's getting viewed right. Start to see videos that I could stitch to see videos that I could even like, live off of which is something like this, maybe. Let's see. That's kind of what you're talking about, which is going out and finding videos that are like, oh, there's nothing proprietary about making that video. You know, I could say, you know, Hey, did you know that if you give it to the side, it'll make you more attractive during dating. Here's five things you know, and like I'm not in the dating niche, but I could you you could probably make that video and in the next five minutes pretty easily. And I keep that and people sometimes don't connect that. Nowadays on social media, sometimes when people get started, they need to look into the camera and tell somebody or put it on the screen. Exactly. They're selling like, here's what I do, too. But that's not how marketing works. marketing works based on curiosity and fun and being playful and being likable. And especially on social media and these 15 Second 62nd clips, it's like, okay, I have a very short amount of time to capture somebody's attention and give them something interesting. Why, you know, that guy starts off. He's got 8.5 million plays on that video. And it's 11 seconds. Actually here. Let me pull it. Let me pull this up one more time, because I didn't realize that was 11 seconds and that's kind of absurd. Yeah, I mean, are you kidding me? Like, I just don't think people realize. Now that was made. Exactly almost exactly two years ago. Here I am stumbling around. On TikTok I found this video with 8 million views. And this guy is also now verified on Tik Tok with 7 million followers, and we're gonna do things that make you more attractive right now. Kind of has a full blown you know, following and everything. But back to the original point. That's an 11 second video, what you're saying is, hey, go search around, go looking and researching and figuring out you know, what are the style videos and maybe that goes maybe you want to find what he's doing more recently. Maybe the algorithms are a little different than two years ago, who knows? But accumulating videos that you know, are not necessarily proprietary. You can't create, you can't recreate a video about that guy's life. Or if you have a video that's talking about like, Hey, here's my journey and it's like, I clearly can't just rip that video. You know, it's like, I can't recreate that. But I can recreate edutainment style videos, videos that are more curiosity based. Has that been where most of your success has come?

Sydney: Yeah. Most of the videos that I had one video that blew up to like 20 or 750,000 views, which was what I can't even imagine that many people, but that was from so like, there is this one audio that I was noticing that kept blowing up on people's pages. And then I also noticed that when people were talking about promoting their favorite companies like and listing those companies that a bunch of those were really successful. So I put those two together, and it's very successful.

Matt:  It's so smart, so smart. You mean like when people are like, you can promote Levi's jeans or like, did you know you could promote Levi's jeans or like, you know, stuff like that?

Sydney: Yeah. I was like, like, did you know that you can make like, like a couple of $1,000 a week or a month promoting like Nike HelloFresh Lululemon, etc, but you keep scrolling.

Matt:  Yeah, right. Right, right. Yeah. And, and, yeah, and those videos are always like, super short ones like that. And they're super short. They move kind of quick, but there's a lot of text on the screen because you get flying as people read them. So funny. I mean, you know, in the next couple of months, that strategy will eventually fizzle. Because they will TikTok will kind of catch on that like, oh, okay, figuring out how to game the algorithm a little bit. But it's just that strategy has been working for like two years. And for new people, here's what I mean by that. To get more views, so here's the simple here's the simplest thing. Views lead to engagement, engagement leads to followers followers, leads to leads or opt-ins and leads leads to customers. And so it naturally follows that getting some form of views on your videos is pretty important in building a following and getting noticed, right? There's a lot of people out there who, who they say you know, views doesn't necessarily making making money and to a certain extent that that is true to a certain extent, but a lot of people say most of the people who are making money on the internet right now and 2022 are getting hella views on their videos. You know, like, that's the truth. And especially people who are growing big followings that are going to be that are going to pay them for the next year or two or three down the road. So I just think, for people who are newer and they're like, how do I make the connection about these views? You keep talking about views and how do I get more views and grow a following? You start by going out and, you know, kind of chumming the water. That's what Dave says. In the blueprints. You Chum the water and you start to feel around and do some research. What are people saying? What are they? What are they creating? And you put together pieces like a viral sound like you did and things that have been working for other people like you did? And when you start to do that, you know it might be call it luck call it odd call it God whatever, but one of your videos will eventually take off and go viral and and you'll get a lot of leads and a lot of followers and that's when things can that's when the ball can start rolling. So from a content creation standpoint, are you creating content a couple times a day once a day like what's how you have shifted your content creation strategy? Now that you've got all these followers oh, maybe we might have lost her. Hang on. All right. We're gonna see if we can get her back to where I was? Oh, yeah, I was just asking her how her content creation strategy worked. Oh, my connection is I just got a little kick from her and we'll send her back in. Sometimes the iPhone will overheat and we'll see if we can. We'll see if we can bring her in. But I wanted to say for any of you who are starting to maybe just come in or we're starting to create content. One of the most powerful things that you can possibly do to learn how to start creating videos? How do I just hit posts on these things? You can go to something like TikTok.com And you can just do a search. It's really easy like if I was in the writing niche, I could type and apparently, I go to this guy who's got 2 million views and fixing separation anxiety stops resource guarding. Like this is probably not a super proprietary piece of content that this guy's created for fixing separation. Looking around. Like your dog twice. Dog advice is very specific to dog training. You'll find lots of videos, five facts about your dog, right little things like that, that you can probably recreate or just repurpose, you don't have to recreate it for Batum but you can you can repurpose those you can repurpose those style videos and it will give you ideas of how to create content and also give you ideas about what's working and what's not in the online space or on the in the Tiktok algorithm. Right so introducing dogs how to introduce dogs right this isn't where he sees them exit 300,000 views though if you go over to unsafe for dog look, this has 284,000 views, tons of likes. And when you get a video that's that viral. There's a good chance that the reason that that went viral was because people sat on that video and just watched it over and over and over and over again. That's why it's all right. We have Sydney back.

Sydney: Yes. Sorry about that. I got kicked out

Matt:  No sweat. Well, I saw the training was out. I mean I saw your message and so I just kicked you out so you can come back in and usually that fixes it. So what's the what's the what I was gonna ask you was what is your content creation strategy, like how many times do you post in a day do you just kind of post randomly? Are you much more structured?

Sydney: Yeah. So it's kind of like it's kind of tricky to figure that out. Find a good balance. Because at first I was like, because people are like, I tried to post three times a day. And at first that was really hard because I was like I have to make content three times a day, like what are you talking about? But I kind of have like, what you can do is you can make content and then put it in your drafts. So once you have like a ton of drafts. It's super easy to post them by try to post three times a day. I think in the past couple weeks I've been posting two times a day more often but three times today. It's been my life goal.

Matt: Yeah, I think I think anywhere in that range. I always tell people, you know, if you've got a goal of three times a day and you can only get one but you can get that one and it's gonna be really good. Get that one. You know what I mean? Just get that really good quality one. And it's kind of a numbers game. He posts three videos a day, you get 20 of them out per week or so 20 and 30 per week. And there might not be a lot of rhyme or reason about which ones go viral. It sometimes surprises you. But eventually, one or two of them just hit you, put you hit posts and it's like oh my gosh is taking off. I got a lot of comments on this thing. This is crazy. And there isn't. You know, you could recreate an exact video from somebody else who's done one and it might flop and then you create one, a different one and it just pops off and takes off and there's no real rhyme or reason at all to it. 

Sydney: I posted a video that did really well and sometimes it also does like sometimes two videos that are the exact same don't perform the same. 

Matt: Not at all. Not at all. Yeah, it's so vital but that's part of it. As part of the algorithm that's part of getting lots and lots of views and followers is Yeah, is getting enough content out there to even see what sticks. So you're also creating for one to ask about this, like looking into creating another course or helping maybe create a course or something. You know, one of the best things that I've ever seen. affiliate marketers do is build a real, basically build a course. But um, but not a full court sort of a mini course and give it away for free. Now here's why can I give you like my best kept secret on this? Yes. Okay. So for people who go from let's say where you're at 10,000 followers and go to 100-200 500,000 followers, right? One of the best things that I've ever seen them do that has exploded their growth is taking that course and making it a freebie. And basically what you do is you create a mini course now if you're brand new and you're watching the show and you're like I haven't even ever posted a video, just ignore everything I'm about to say or store it in the back of your mind. For a later day. Take notes. You create a course and you say hey, here's my $97 course. Alright, this is a nice $97 Social media miracle. Okay, and what you do is you say hey for a limited time, you can get access to my social media miracle course for just $97 and you post that or I'm sorry for free my $97 course I'll give it to you for free. Go to the link in my bio right or point to the US a green screen and point to the link in your bio or something and you start generating leads and inside of that. As soon as they opt-in. You say hey, I'm about to email you info on how to get access to the course in the meantime. And then this is your bridge page where you have an offer to whatever affiliate courses you're offering or whatever affiliate products, whatever you're offering, and then you give them that free course and embedded throughout that free course or more of your affiliate offers. Right and you can do that in click funnels. ClickFunnels allows you to create a course and you can post the whole thing here's why that's so great for you. Number one, you're not dealing with any merchant accounts, you're not even collecting payment which is a beautiful thing. Most people don't realize once you get into selling your own course you start dealing with chargebacks and refunds and all that stuff. It gets messy because of digital in a digital courses business. You've got to keep a very clean merchant account. You start to get refunds or chargebacks. And your merchant account can go away and you can get to a place where you're literally not able to collect payments. So that's the first thing is giving something away for free is so much more of a simple way to go about that whole thing. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. Totally. And then and then from there, too, you can take that and eventually someday you could sell it like Calvin Hill used to give his away for free and now he's just like, hey, basically to opt in to my list. You have to pay me $10. It's the most absurd thing ever, but it works because he's built a really valuable lead magnet. And you know, people don't underestimate their ability to create something valuable that people will really really want. And so anyway, just my two cents, just my thoughts. Is that helpful? Or what comes to mind when you hear that? 

Sydney: It seems so smart to do that. I've seen a couple people that have like free courses and you're kind of like, why are they doing right? That makes so much sense because it's also like the sort of idea of giving people value and giving people more than what they're paying for. So I think it's basically genius.

Matt:  You know what it is? Here's the final piece to that. We also track people. So on our end as a as a as somebody who watches our back end affiliate stats and all that kind of stuff. affiliates who do that they make more money affiliate marketers should do that they make more money, and they convert at higher rates. And here's why. Because they're not just pushing people to sell somebody something. They're actually giving real value upfront. And so as soon as it's natural human psychology to want to reciprocate that, hey, you gave me something you didn't have to give me that for free. That was really nice. Let me give you something in return. And it's very basic marketing. It's sort of like Gary Vee talks about he talks about Jab, Jab, Jab Right Hook, give value, give value, give value, ask for the sale, right, not the other way around. And so when you give all of that value upfront, then what you have is trust. You have a bit of Hey, okay, I learned something from you. What you gave me was valuable and helped me and I'm thankful for that awesome. I want to purchase How do I buy where I buy something, and not just on the front end conversions, but also on the back end higher ticket things are more likely to buy coaching, more likely to buy blueprints and all of that stuff. It's really just a it's a it's a powerful way to go about building goodwill in your list and and then you know, it's the difference between let's say, in five or 10 years from now, it's a difference in having a list that's sort of resentful because you've done nothing but pitch them since day one versus a email list of people who are excited and still fired up to hear from you because you just deliver value and that's who you are to them. And it's cool, it's a cool thing. So going forward, what's the plan? You're gonna do that you're gonna you're gonna work on your and create content. What else goes into school still?

Sydney: Yeah, that's sort of the plan. I think it'll be I mean, this summer was like a little bit more relaxed than the school year. That's why I was probably easier to make content. Probably once like, get back into my electrical engineering work. It'll be a little bit harder to find as much time but the plan is sort of to stay consistent. I was also sort of like, looking into starting like another account and another niche that like I was more like passionate about because I think this was like, like this is a good way I think I can keep building on it. But I think I could also bring it to another niche, which is I think could be cool. And I think when you're super passionate about something it shows and that also be valuable. I'll definitely like start looking into making a free course because that's like a stroke of genius. So, but yeah, I think the biggest thing and advice is to stay consistent and to not give up and to just not. Oh, I'm not seeing results like I'm just gonna stop because there's no way that you can succeed if you do that. 

Matt:  Totally, totally. And, and I just wanted to say to, you know, if you do go and go down that whole road of creating a free course or something like that, don't don't let what you just said as as, as advice towards people take your own advice. Don't Don't overwhelm yourself. Try and recreate something that's world class. Mind blowing. Usually those free courses are most powerful when that's a simple idea communicated in one or two or three videos maximum. It shouldn't be this 10 module. Oh my god long thing. It should be like a 15 to 25 minute lesson with a little PDF guide where they can take notes and they're just like, wow, this was so simple and so clear. And I understand exactly what the call to action is. I need to go purchase this if I want to learn more, and that's it. You know, keeping it simple and keeping it stripped down. I love the idea of creating stuff in other niches and Sydney we would love to hear from you if you do that. One of the things for us that is actually hard to track is when people go out and create stuff and other niches. It we just have no way of knowing that right so it's not like we're stalking people 24/7 All their social media accounts or something. It's like lots of people from Legendary take their take their education, and we never hear from them again. And they go on to creating all sorts of random weight loss niches and all this stuff and have lots of success. And we we just rarely hear back from them. So we'd love to hear from you if you do that. And it would it would make our day we'd love to feature you on wakeup legendary and feature that. Absolutely, absolutely. It's so cool. Well, Sydney. Thanks for coming on. Should people follow you on TikTok or Instagram? Or where do you prefer?

Sydney: Either or maybe I mean TikTok is my most viewed or so.

Matt: I'll put them both up. Awesome.

Sydney: Awesome. Thanks for having me.

Matt: Yeah, thanks for coming on the show Sydney. All right, so you can follow Sydney on TikTok @successwithsyd_ Pretty simple. Nothing crazy. We're here live every single Monday through Friday 10am. Eastern I'm hosting most of the week Joanne all hosts on Friday. This has been a powerful episode. I hope it's been a powerful episode. It's powerful. For me. And hopefully you might want to watch this back if you've never actually, if you've never actually thought about creating a little free mini course or something like that to give away on the front end of your marketing. Giving away little freebies is just a great way to build goodwill into your audience. Find Sydney on TikTok. We'll back here tomorrow, same time same place. 

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