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Dave: Hey what's going on my friends it's Dave Sharpe/ Welcome to Wake Up Legendary I'm gonna be waking up legendary here with you this morning fresh and first cup of coffee my friends fresh and first it's not like I got three cuts so far so we are going to wake up legendary. Alrighty let's welcome our guest onto the show today who as you can see by the title tunnel vision has well been something that she's used. Let's discuss the pros and cons Robin Welcome to the show.

Robyn: Hi, thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

Dave: Hey, you're You're welcome. I'm really excited to tunnel vision with you. And JoAnn then took that this weekend and sent out a whole email about it. Which I thought was kind of cool about this idea of you know, three moguls sitting at the table with one of their fathers who happen to be buff, Buffett Munger and Bill Gates and Gates' father asked, you know, what's the number one thing that you would attribute all your success to? And each one of them all at the same time said focus, you know, and focus is another word or I guess, you know, for tunnel vision. So, talk to us a little bit about your story. How you started with legendary and what is tunnel vision played, you know, what part has it played in your journey?

Robyn: Yeah, absolutely. Um, so I signed up for the 15 Day Challenge. Last year, it was late September. I didn't really want to get through October until November. And where I came from with like, the tunnel vision and stuff I think over the last year or so. You always kind of see a lot of ebbs and flows like you have highs you have lows. You know, sometimes you don't really know what that's attributed to, but obviously you're going to stay consistent is the best thing that you can do. And for me like when you're when you're at a high, you're like, Yeah, this is amazing. And you're riding the wave and then when you have a low, you know, you kind of bring it back down you try to focus like okay, what am I doing wrong right now? You know, like, okay, how can I make this so that if you have tunnel vision and one thing, you could end up wasting so much time on it, like even even recently, like there was I couldn't get a link to work and I'm like, I know how to do this, this this, this thing ever but I wasted, you know, hours that I should have just walked away from and then come back because it literally clicked like a couple of days later and I'm like that. So for me like it was kind of just in the last couple weeks like a revelation of you know tunnel vision can be a really great thing if you use it correctly, like, you know, or inciting. Like a goal every week like this week to you know, post my real bad Facebook three times a day and stay consistent like that's a small goal. But if you're tunnel vision on the same thing every week, then you're not you know, you're not really learning, you're not really growing. So like when to use it and when not to use it because sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad. Yeah.

Dave: Well, I like the thought process of, you know, when I'm having a challenge, it's time to really kind of focus on hunker down, if you will. There's all kinds of things that people have said. I love linguistics, communication words, I love how people use simple little things to communicate big meaning Right? Like, like the example that I just gave hunker down. You know, that could mean if I if dad's if Dad taller and y'all better hunker down, that might mean like a hurricane is coming and we're all about to die. The little phrases that we use, hunker down laser, zero in focus, all have a big meaning but we sort of throw them around nonchalantly quite a bit. What do you think, people? What do you think people that are saying that don't see the opportunity that are frustrated in their first 30 or 60 days kind of getting things up and running and they're maybe not quite looking at things the way you're you're talking about what do you think they don't know that you now know you got they think they would have thought of those chapters wish they hadn't. 

Robyn: If you stick with it, the benefit is huge, you know some people it takes a month, which is you know, in my mind, that's a very short amount of time. Some people take six months. Some people take a year, but it's if you stay consistent, it will happen if you're doing everything that you're supposed to be doing you know, you're following the proven system. Following the blueprints, if you have the blueprints, you're reaching out to your mentors, if you're doing all of those things, and they say you know you're doing a good job, just stay consistent. It will come because even if I'm by no means an expert whatsoever, even though I've been through it almost a year now, you know and you learn, there's highs and there's lows, and you don't get to the lows because you're doing it wrong. It's just how it works. You know the algorithm changes.

Dave: Constantly looking to see if you have updated Commission's leads, or we're getting hung up on those numbers, is that what you were alluding to?

Robyn: They're not Yeah, you're fine. But yeah, don't get hung up on the little things like that and just keep going because you know, you know, if you're being yourself if you're being genuine, if you're having you know, real conversations with people and really creating those relationships. You're still building your brand and you're going in the right direction. And sometimes it just takes a little bit longer, but it will come. 

Dave: Well, it's true. You know, it's true. It will come as somebody says, who's supposed to be your mentor. You are supposed to be your mentor.

Robyn: Facebook group and I relied on it so much, like even just looking through other people's comments. Usually I find my answers right there. I don't even have to post anything because somebody's already asked that question.

Dave: You know, I heard Warren Buffett say that he told the story cuz you know you know, people always ask them hey, how do you know how can I get rich? How, what am I doing wrong? All this kind of stuff. And he said, Well, it'd be better for me to illustrate this with a story, you know, because he gives them the things that he's done. And that's not, you know, people are always like, what's the secret? You know what I mean? Like, what's just, he's like, Well, I did the simple thing and there, he's like, Well, let me tell you, let me illustrate this with a story. He said, You know, people came to, I think he's an example. He said, people came to Mozart and said, you know, hey, I'm 21-25. It can teach me how to write full symphonies. You know, and Mozart said that's too much like I you know, the basics are there. It's just you gotta practice and all this kind of stuff. And they said, some of them were also younger. And he said, Well, it's probably not not good for you to start, you know, try to try to do whole symphonies right now at your age. And they said, Well, you started when you were 11. And he said, but I wasn't going around asking everybody how to do it. You know what I mean, right?

I was just trying, you know, I was just, I was just doing it, you know, and I think that the reason why is just a little bit just OnLive you know, just kind of scraping the sides a little bit. But the reason why I tell that story is just because you know, mentors online. Our opinion of mentors online is you gotta be careful. Be careful. You gotta be careful who you listen to. You got to be careful who you got to be careful. You know, tunnel vision is one of those things that can work wonderfully if the vision is set on the right. Goal. And the right people, you know what I mean? It's like, it's like it's hard to stay with a good business for a long time. Because we're always looking for the high highs or lows that draw on the excitement, and sometimes a good business just kind of doesn't even feel like it's growing until you look back and go, Wow, I can't believe how far I've come and look at how my life has changed and I didn't even realize it, you know, and that's actually one of the in terms of the tunnel vision piece. There is an aspect I think of, of really, really embracing the boring embracing the monotonous in terms of metaphors, really seeking out people this has been a big strategy for me, that are not teaching me to add more shit to my plate, but are actually encouraging the ways that really, really benefit your business in how in my experience, my wealth has built my relationship my marriage has flourished. It's it's me focusing on really simplest, simple, timeless principles that have worked for previous generations that it's just a different application. Now. It's like TikTok it's like I see somebody saying, oh, you know, like, Andrea, and I'm not picking on you, but she says I'm very disappointed about tick tock. It's like, well, if this was 1983, you'd probably be saying that about the phone book, or you'd probably be saying that about billboards or whatever. It's all the same. It's like if that's what you're gonna do is it's just a platform itself, instead of realizing that no matter what you do, it's going to be cat and mouse, there's going to be challenges in your ability to be successful is not about your ability to be able to just walk in and just follow directions and have it all go perfectly every month. the ability to succeed is to actually find mentors in places that you wouldn't suspect finding a mentor. It's why I don't sell my coaching anymore because I'm not anybody's one automobile. But I do a free show that if you actually listen to it, instead of bothering with the the, if you listen to the nuggets, the mentorship that comes out of this is it's you can't even put a price tag on it like there's five episodes or more of regular people in their first year who lay out exactly what they've struggled with overcome all this kind of stuff, right? And so, again, our ability to be able to get through these challenges and have success in our business is not particularly dependent on us. Like it's not about the platform. It's not about when the challenge, how do you deal with all forms of advertising all for and I know you're not a quitter. Don't worry i It's not about that. It's about just learning how to be an entrepreneur versus just being an employee. In you, Andrea, me, probably robbing everybody else. We've all been trained to be employees. We've all been trained so we just look at a problem. And we just stare at that problem until our supervisor comes over and helps us or until our teacher comes over and helps us right or what do we do in school? We put up our hands. Yeah, but in entrepreneurship, imagine how you train yourself. You put yourself in a house or in a room by yourself with more limited resources, meaning that there's not your boss sitting right next to you. And you have to be resourceful. You have to go through the education which is really laid out and when we dig we find that most people who say I'm not getting results, they haven't done the work, meaning that when we get into entrepreneurship, a lot of if we have an employee mindset, mostly which we all do, it's it's just the way we will essentially feel stuck, because we'll feel like I got my hand up and the teachers not coming over here. And you see that's like and that's why a lot of people will fall into the nets of the Guru who's like, I'm going to do it all for you. I'm going to do it all for you. So anyways, what comes up for you, as I say some of those things?

Robyn: Yeah. So one good one and that just like I when we're talking about like the ebbs and flows of things, I think, after being in it for a little bit more time now I have absolutely come to appreciate when I'm on the downward side of things, because I feel like I have more time to grow and learn instead of just constantly. You know, every moment I have is talking to people and responding to DMS and responding to comments and things like that. I feel like I have more time to actually, you know, dig more into it and do more more things with it. And I come to appreciate that because I know that the highs are gonna come right back. Where because it's, so we're going to come where I have, you know, at the end of the day, I have a lot more dance to respond to, and that's going to take a lot of my time versus working on myself and my brands and creating more, you know, unique content. So just finding those like opportunities where you're like, Okay, I do have more time today, like what can i What can we focus on and like setting those small little goals for you, even if it's just that one day, like that's your goal for the day, that's great, you know, learn something new, dive into things that you wanted to, you know, expand that you have instead of, you know, the times when it's crazy and you don't have all that extra time to like learn a new platform or something like that.

Dave: So you're using Instagram quite a bit. It looks like you've got a lot of activity on TikTok on Instagram. What's on fire for you right now. You had mentioned Instagram on your questionnaire and, but things may change from week to week. 

Robyn: Yeah, for sure. So on Instagram, I think I think in the beginning I really kind of downplayed Instagram and I was like that's a place to put my link and I'm going to start on Tik Tok and just tell everyone to go to my link and Instagram and it took me months, maybe even like a six month apart. I don't know why I'm not utilizing this platform. I'm on here every day. I'm not posting on it. And so I started to do that. And you know I stay consistent with it. And I repurposed my all of my content that I already had, so I could really like hit it drawn, and post multiple videos a day instead of just a couple. And all of a sudden out of nowhere, it just took off. Like I went from under 1000 hours. In general go for like 24,000 and, like, what did you do? How did you do that? And I'm like, I don't know. It's not that I did anything special. I showed up as myself. And I you know, I use the content that I knew performed well outerwear and I stayed consistent with it. And I provided value with what I was saying to people and I you know, I respond to every DM that comes my way and I made sure you know people that I'm helping them if they need me, you're like, I need your help. And I'm like, Okay, well, where are you with your journey? And they're like, Well, I sign up for the challenge. I'm like, Oh, great. Where are you? They haven't started yet. And then like, like, can't help you if you're not ready to go. So, you know, obviously you're gonna have those but then you're gonna have the other ones where they just need a little encouragement and then they're gonna take off too. So just creating relationships with those people and staying consistent with it and making sure that yours is yours. Because we all fall into those kind of traps where you copy somebody else's video and you're like, that's a great idea. I want to do that too. And, but maybe it's not really you. So just making sure that not do that like maybe here and there. I think it is okay to stay on trend, but just making sure that you're not losing sight of who you are and showing up with you.

Dave: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's hard to put your finger on when you're you know, again, like you said, it's kind of like explaining exactly. Well, it's kind of like it's kind of like it's kind of like explaining investing, you know, here's the here's here's why. I've been immersed in listening to Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger and guys like this a lot lately, because they're so rich and so old that they just tell they just say it like it is. And what is is that in both investing and also in marketing, there is no exact formula. You pick diversity by throwing enough spaghetti at the wall and you do it in an intelligent way. That something is bound to work for any marketer. I know. You know, there's mentors in gurus and goblins out there on the internet who have the exact formula and x plus y equals Z every time. In truth, 99% of people who get started actually don't. There's always there's always a there's always a nuance, there's always variables. The market entrepreneurship is full of variables. And so that's what I like about Buffett and Munger. Those guys are just, they're very honest about how luck has played a part in all of the action that they've taken. We say that again. How luck has played a part in all of the action that they've taken. And Buffett will sit here and talk about the money that he's lost when he's been sitting around as he calls it, sucking his thumb on a deal. And what that means is just not doing anything, just not taking any action just sucking your thumb and I think that that's a really kind of a way of saying I'm sitting on your ass not doing anything that you know what I mean. That's what he calls it. It's the old Oracle of Omaha saying sucking your thumb. And I think that you know, I gotta be careful that I'm not sitting around sucking my thumb. You know, I bought a course I haven't started with and I want somebody to come, you know, do it for me or tell me how I saw somebody. I saw somebody who was in our group about a week ago or so, if there was anybody local to them that could come over and show them how to use Clickfunnels and stuff and here's the thing that that is, that's very old school, have you? And I would challenge anybody who feels like that because there's nothing wrong with that. It's the older generation who feel more comfortable. We do it with our parents, personally and it's fine here's my here's my, here's my challenge to each one of you. Whatever you're feeling to do, just try to do the opposite of it. You know, if you feel compelled to want to have somebody come sit down and do it for you or do it with you. Try to do it yourself, and then something that you would normally always do yourself. I wonder if you could outsource that. You see what I'm saying? It's about Yeah, entrepreneurship, in some ways is about oh my god, I always put my shoe on the right foot. Let me start putting my shoe on the left foot, just getting a little bit uncomfortable in doing the exact opposite of what brought you to entrepreneurship in the first place. You know, like nobody came to entrepreneurship because they were like, I'm crushing it and you know, they're like, hey, I want to start. I'm not talking to my boss. I'm not getting paid enough. I don't feel recognized for I'm never gonna get rich like this, right. So to get something different, you have to do something dramatically different. And we have to be careful. 

Dave: What else can we learn from you and your story? What else can we learn from what you've been through here over the last year, which has probably been such an important little journey to you starting a business learning skills, putting yourself out there? What's your What's some of your greatest lessons that you've taken? Away from this over the last year?

Robyn: I would say one of the biggest things is, I live like I said, I still work full time. My goal for myself when I started this was to do like a minimum. While I was at my job, just because I like, you know, I have responsibilities and then I needed to make sure that I felt comfortable before I left that, you know. So that was my goal as it was a year and that's what I promised myself, support me for a year and if this doesn't work out, like I'll do something different. I'm just curious about how that proposition or negotiation or conversation happened. So that was I think we both kind of agreed on it, because right away I had a super high in the first couple of months starting early. This would be awesome if I could leave my job right now. But you know, it's only a few months in. And, you know, let's just kind of set a timeline and see how things go. Let's see the consistency of it and how you know, after a year, you know, then we would at least have a very good idea of, you know, how it compares to my income that I make. But that's just what we came up with. But he is crazy supportive and like we're getting close to the year timeline. So we keep talking about this platform. And I'm like, you know, I wasn't working. We're getting close to that. Okay. I am working.

Dave: Would you mind telling us your profession outside of this? I might have missed it.

Robyn: Sure. No, that's fine. So I'm the store manager for a retail pharmacy. But it's hard to kind of just, you know, walk away from that and you know, when you're home you're, you're not always home because if you're number one, somebody always needs to contact you with something. So it just makes, you know, family time hard and like holidays hard because you're just you're open 24/7 all the time every year. 

Dave: So my idea when you say quit your show quitting your job is sort of the milestone and that's a separate milestone than early retirement. Is that a different thing for you? What does that look like? Because I think one of the things that I'm interested in beginning to talk about with people in the community is what more where are we working towards? What are we working towards retiring a spouse? Are we working towards retiring both of us both or just me if I'm single, or me and my children? And what does that look like? How much do I need to have saved up? Where should I have it saved? So it's working in a safe way? And I have to be careful. I'm not a financial adviser because of financial advice, because there's laws about that and I have to make sure that I don't come across as I'm giving financial advice, but there's a lot of formulas I'll give a lot. I'll give you all I don't just sell them other people sell this. But I'd like to talk about it because I think it's really something that's valuable and it's lost a lot for us to come up with a retirement number, which is having basically your annual 25 years of your annual savings socked away, and annual savings might doesn't particularly mean what you're or excuse me, you your annual spending socked away and so what so that doesn't particularly spending now. You know, for me, let's say that I wanted to have, you know, I wanted to have $10,000 a month that was that I had in my retirement. You know, I would say 10,000 times 12 which is $120,000. Okay, so that would that's my let's just say that I spend more than 10,000 a month but let's just say you want 10,000 A month in retirement. This formula is. So that's my annual and then I multiply that by 25. And I've got 3 million, I've got 3 million. So I know that sounds like a big number. But now if I want to have $10,000 that I can pull out because the idea is you're pulling 4% of your portfolio each year. Your portfolio is making on average, the stocks in the s&p 500 has done about 10% each year for the past 100 years. So if you're making 10% on your money and you're pulling out 4% You can live on that. And so it's like well, maybe you need less than that. Maybe you want to semi-retirement so you know what I mean? It's just the ways in which you can begin to look at what how do I begin to look at what does retire redefine retirement, and then into both cash generating machines that can make because you can never save that much. At most jobs. You have to nowadays have some sort of a side hustle of some sort or making great money at your job. And so, knowing that, now I have or at least if I start looking at things like that now I can start to close and not just talk about quitting the job, but now have even bigger visions or goals. Because I'm starting to, I'm starting to crunch some numbers and I'm starting to look at how much I spend and how much I can live off of and we realize geez, I may be able to accomplish this a lot faster than I thought he was for you as I just go through.

Robyn: So I kind of equate like leaving my job and retiring and kind of put it in a little older Yeah, because I'm like, Yeah, I'm gonna keep doing this. Like my idea of retiring is just retiring from a nine to five. And my husband, he's like, once you do that, you know, you're gonna have more time. Maybe I'll start this too. And then maybe we'll both get to retire together and just do this. And for me that would be amazing because what's the point of being home and being able to travel all the time if my husband can't come with us, you know?

Dave: That's it's much different number that requires much less savings, right? Because it really I mean, I can't really use my own example because I pretty much basically sold my truck my 1993 Ford f150 Back in the day, and I think I made 1000 or so bucks from that and pretty much, you know, started my business as it was. But so it's not like I had a huge savings. And I actually think that that kind of feed to my fire helped a little bit. But yet, it's a much less it's a much different number of you're going to be traveling because or you're going to be just coming home because now all of a sudden you could almost argue that you know you now have more time you know, I've worked at a collection to bring that number up even more and now you might be able to see how much you can really make when you actually have the time. And here's the other thing that I wouldn't underestimate is a little bit of wire to your feet. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of poker that passes up and executes every day. Would you agree?

Robyn: Absolutely. 100% 100% Because I know the last 10 months or so I've been doing this. I still have a paycheck coming in and it's still a good paycheck. I don't have to do this. But this is what I want to do, like I don't want to do that. And for me, like that's been like giving me a lot of motivation to make sure that I keep it. But also like, throughout the last 10 months or so, you get the points and you're like I'm gonna, I'm gonna go really hard this week, and I'm gonna post you know, five things of content a day. And you literally have moments where you can do that and it would really help you but that's not sustainable. And burnout is a real thing. And you get to a point like if you do that for a couple of weeks where you're trying to create like new content every day for like five posts a day like that. And you're like No, I need a couple of days off and so it can kind of like in the long run it doesn't help you because then you need a couple of days to clear your head a little bit. So I definitely learned those things and I think obviously like having my job as a fallback like you know, I don't need to do this right now. I still have a paycheck. It's okay for me at that point like that 12 month mark and we actually talk about it and decide like okay, is this it like am I gonna do it? Absolutely. Let's go to light a fire and be like, No, I have to actually have to do this every day. Like this is my number one thing and it's gonna work. And I know my husband. It's just getting to that point where we're like, okay, let's do it. Just pull the cord.

Dave: Well, I want to give you guys some context and reference around what I was just referring to, which is called the Fire number and I'm going to actually put up I'm actually going to put a link to a time. It's timeline.com. How to find your fire number and that was the equation that I was just using. I didn't invent it. It wasn't something that I pulled out of my ass. It was something Yeah, if I didn't pull it out of my ass Yeah. It would have been like, Well, that was pretty good. They've and occasionally laugh like that. It's like well, but this is a legitimate thing. It's something that a lot of people teach and talk about. And I think the difference between that kind of it's called your fire number. And it's just it's kind of like, I don't know where that fire came from, how much you need to fire your boss or whatever, but it's your fire number. And it's that 25 years of funding saved ideally into some sort of an investment portfolio. Like an index fund or something like a Vanguard Index Fund or something that's simple. That just tracks the stock market and has low fees. But yes, we're different. He says that we don't want to stop working. We just want to stop working in the way that we've been working, which is driving in our car or sitting in traffic going to a bunch of strangers, I think. So like we were all afraid of robots taking our jobs, but now in a way. It's kind of like take up right because man How do you feel about this though? How do you feel about this? I believe I was just in an interview yesterday. And I don't do many of those and it's something really cool that's coming out so but I said hey, man, no, and I and I think it was spawned. From a conversation I had yesterday on wakeup legendary, but I said, my side hustle or entrepreneurial skills have been the difference maker in my life. No job that I could have ever gotten would have been able to provide those styles. And nowadays, even if you have a degree and you have a great job, it's difficult to get ahead without a side hustle without something extra whether you're flipping houses, or whether you've got a second job. Do you find that to be true? I'm just a random person with a random family. Where did you say you guys live?

Robyn: Wisconsin

Dave: Okay, is it like would you agree with that, that it's difficult nowadays to not to just pay your bills I'm talking about to actually get ahead without a second job or a side hustle.

Robyn: 100% Yeah, I think especially this last year. We go on, like, family vacation a year and I mean, COVID was weird for everybody. But this last year, it didn't hurt uh, you know, I don't know why people do that. They're like, you know, we're going on this vacation. We're gonna spend, you know, five to eight grand on and off for like 678 months or more like it just goes to a credit card or something. So to be able to do that without hurting us and not skipping a beat and we've done it even more. So this year has just been huge. And that would not have happened if I said right now. Just the opportunities are incredible.

Dave: And you're kind of alluding to right not not building up debt. Right. Right. Yeah. Just being able to go on vacation and pay for it and not have to pay for it for the next eight months. Is that leading to? Absolutely yeah. And debt is such a stressful thing right when you know that because when we would we all love the idea of earning interest on our money but not paying interest on our credit cards. The exact founding interest compounded is one of the one of the phenomenons of the world. You know what all of you entrepreneurs and marketers need to do is go find yourself an investment calculator. I'll do it right here and start really understanding what compound interest really you know, really can do for you. Because with your because it works the same the other way if I've got a if I've got a sum of say $20,000 That I save this year, and for me, you know, I listen all the Guru's I say okay, what do I do with my money? How do I invest in Bitcoin? Does Dogecoin know? All this other shit? No. Lamborghinis and Bugattis, no Rolexes and all that shit. No, right? No, not yet. I take my money and I go and open up a standard, you know, account and I put my savings into a stent. I have a bank of america bank account, and I just opened up a Merrill Edge investment account. Vanguard indexes because Vanguard, total stock market indexes have historically grown that tracks the entire stock market, and I can maybe earn 10% on my money 9% 8% Because historic 100 years that's what the stock market's done. Now say I put in May I save $20,000. And I'm gonna let that marinate for 10 years at a return rate of 10%. And you know what? I'm not going to make another contribution to this ever. Look, I'm now going to have from that 20,000 I'm going to have in 10 years $51 I'm going to have made more interest on that than the than the than the starting amount. And these numbers get more and more insane. Let's say you were able to save up $100,000 Now your interest is you know $159,000 In what if you were to say $100,000 A year and put $100,000 into an account, say you do like me and buy a Vanguard Index Fund or something like that simple, safe sound, because I'm making all this money from my cash cow business. And I make an additional $1,000 contribution for the next 10 years. At the end of the year. I calculated that and now I've got $1.8 million. And it's just unbelievable. You know, it's unbelievable the way that compound interest works in this my friends is what I do with my money that I earned from my marketing business. So it will still be there. And you want this working like that. But here's what happens with credit cards. See this interest right here? The same thing happens with the phenomenon of compound interest, okay? The phenomenon of compound interest works the same exact way on your credit cards. This event coming later is a really good tool for you to for us all to understand how money can grow. If we just do things the safe, smart and long term way and this is not investment advice. I'm not a financial adviser. I'm just talking about how compound interest works in some of the things that I do to make sure that compound interest is working in my favor for the dollars that I already made, versus living that life how you were just describing Robin which is really a life hack for getting ahead. 

Robyn: Yeah. So my daughter just turned 18 This year, and she's going to school this month, starting college and she just got her first credit card. We had this entire talk about this. Oh, I think about how to use credit cards wisely and how to not use credit cards wisely. So yeah, it's just crazy. Pressure. Well, we got it for me

Dave: We have to realize that we're all just praying to most people as prey. And we are and it's a good thing you're protecting your child. When we turn 18 These big institutions full BOD our children's mailbox, ours all offers free money, all this shit we have a predatory society financially, that creates people factors. Because that's what we needed back many, many a couple of generations ago. Through the world wars and so forth. We needed people especially coming out of a massive recession, which was the Great Depression. We needed people to get back into the wars, all of these principles, all these philosophies worked but there were no tech companies. Everything was a brick and mortar store. And all of the all of these prints they really applied then, but now we'll find instances have evolved the way that banks have evolved they've evolved their marketing strategies. Debt has become something that you know, it's now looked at as a positive thing. You want to have some plan, don't try to twist this shit Mr. Look, I mean, I don't care if people want to All right, where are you living? Where did you get all these gurus out here who are talking all this shit. Let me tell you something. Stress Piedmont for me to know that if something happened to me on speaking to all you men right now, for something happened to me and to know that my home is paid off, that I have a life insurance policy to my family if something was to happen to me. I'm just I'm not saying that I couldn't speak for women. I'm just saying I'm speaking from it. I'm just speaking for two men. How we feel like we want to pretend I'm sure you feel like listen, that's a big deal. That's part of our politics. If you want to feel all these men out here trying to figure out how to become more manly, more Alpha. It's like, just take care of your shit. Just take care of your shit and be the most Alpha dude you've ever met. Your wife will be changing around the house. It's on the table. I'm talking shit now. But do you agree?

Robyn: I do agree. Absolutely. Absolutely. 

Dave: Yeah, it's definitely such a guy thing I think for sure. Like and obviously as a woman, you still want to provide for your family. You want to enter your family and your kids. But there's just that male nature that likes to see all these guys figuring out how to be more manly and be more alpha. And it's like Well, dude, you can see our society works on a monetary system. It's a lot of I mean, we're just a number society. So you can mean money gives you resources. So if you want to step into your manly nature, be more masculine, get debated, get activated, right, because that's what entrepreneurship is about. It's about hunting, you know, and looking for opportunities. It can be about gathering so it's not that it's not about community building up some of those other things, but in a way, it's you gotta go out and you gotta hunt, you gotta go get it. We've covered a lot of things, man. This is a unique conversation and I'm enjoying it and I'm hoping that we can do it again in the near future.

Robyn: Thank you so much for having me on.

Dave: Oh, welcome. You're so welcome. What would you leave our, our, your community, our audience with what sort of final thought would you like to? What sort of seed Do you want to leave in their head? Till the next time you're back on the show? Yeah.

Robyn: One comment six to nine really quick just because I feel like I see it all the time where people are like, you know, I can't be successful like I don't know the candidates or I don't have a certain look or sound like this. And it's not about that. It's not about that and getting on camera is not the easiest thing ever either. And nobody is good at it. The first time they do it, it takes practice. And you everyone has been so just show up as yourself. And every time it's gonna get easier and you're gonna get better and you're gonna find your people, your audience. It will happen for you.

Dave: Most of the time, it doesn't feel like any money. But it is sort of like a human being you don't really notice that you're growing until somebody says, hey, oh my God. You know, and it's like, I did myself grow and growing six inches didn't feel like a simple thing. But it's so true. So thanks for those words. of wisdom and yeah, give our best to your family. And we'll see in the next episode. Okay.

Robyn: Thank you. 

Dave: Alright Robyn, take care. You too. All right, my friends. You can follow Robin. Of course we've had her TikTok handle @sidehustlehackswrobin Her Instagram is @makingmoneywrobyn 

You know when we have a guest on and they are clearly somebody that has a normal life, a regular life and they lay out in great and transparent detail paths chiseled away at their sculpture, and it's like sitting in art class. Everybody's sculpture looks a little bit different, you know? Sure. You know most of the time we're sitting there looking at our sculptures and we're looking at the other person's we're saying there's looks better, but they're looking at RSA and ours looks better. It's just the human condition, you know, but each morning we get to hear about how somebody is chiseling away at their dirt or the course you get to keep it you've made it you get to be proud of it, and nobody can take that away. Oh, and you get to keep the money that you make just I guess a little cherry on top. So have a fantastic day, my friends. We'll see you back here for another episode tomorrow. As usual, get out of here, peace.